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    They're Gettin' Rid of Limbo!

    The Catholic church is reassessing the concept of limbo in order to bolster their anti-abortion stance.

    From the Los Angeles Times:

    ANYONE PAYING ATTENTION to what's been happening to hell in recent years has surely realized that limbo was not long for this world — or the next one. Limbo is the nether region where, according to Roman Catholic tradition, unbaptized babies go after death. It's a pleasant enough place, though devoid of the bliss of God's presence. But now its future is in peril.

    A group of Vatican theological advisors signaled after a recent meeting that they would recommend eliminating the concept of limbo. Pope Benedict XVI is expected to agree, meaning unbaptized babies would go to heaven instead.

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    Sending unblessed infants to heaven also lends gravitas to the church's position on abortion, allowing a fetus to be accepted into the presence of God.


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    Hey, didn't all this stuff come down from God or somethin'? How can man revise God's word?

    Or was it man's word in the first place?

    Here's the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenB
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    I remember reading something similar not too long ago; I think they got rid of pergatory (sp?)

    The mormons (the second m should be silent in that word) changed their doctrine in the 1970s; being Black was not the sign of being marked by the devil anymore. That came by way of divine revalation to their prophet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenB
    Why try to make sense of the nonsensical? There are better things to do with your time.

    Like getting involved in a kpcw, Live Steam, Flip or money claptrap... I mean thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by il sogno
    Hey, didn't all this stuff come down from God or somethin'? How can man revise God's word?

    Or was it man's word in the first place?
    Why try to make sense of the nonsensical? There are better things to do with your time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KenB
    Why try to make sense of the nonsensical? There are better things to do with your time.
    People,I thought the word of God was supposed to mean somethin'!

    Of course everything I know about the that sort of stuff I learned from the neighborhood kids trying to convert me and my brother when we were like 8 years old.

    That and Jesus Christ Superstar.

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    I guess we didn't have to baptize the dog

    Among the many warped things that my 1960s Catholic school education inspired was my sister's and my baptizing our dog (I was about 9, my sister was about 6). We did not want the dog to go to Limbo. My grandmother found out about the event (we dressed the dog in sister's baptism gown; my grandmother wanted to know why this garment that had been preserved for the ages was wet and on the floor). My grandmother threw a fit -- she accused us of sacrilege and came pretty close to suggesting that my mother should take us to a priest to be exorcized or something like that.

    In any event, I always thought that Limbo was an OK place. I used to worry a lot more about Purgatory. My same grandmother never said that my sister and I were going to Hell. But, she clearly thought that we were going to spend a very long time in Purgatory.
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    Limbo? That's a place? Sounds like somewhere Rush would hang out. So now does it mean he's going to Hell-oh!??

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    Quote Originally Posted by il sogno
    People,I thought the word of God was supposed to mean somethin'!

    Of course everything I know about the that sort of stuff I learned from the neighborhood kids trying to convert me and my brother when we were like 8 years old.

    That and Jesus Christ Superstar.
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    This stuff just makes me smile

    It's good to know that doctrines can just change with the political winds. I'm happy I live in such a rational world.

    As a former Catholic, do I have room to call them jackasses?




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    Damn, and I thought Rush was gettin' wacked for being a low-life scumbag druggie...
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    By now Limbo has to be pretty full, or close to it, so it's not that big a deal. Who wants to be around all those crying babies anyway?

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    At Vatican II (according to Gary Wills' "Papal Sin") the experts debating whether to loosen up the rules against contraception faced a similar issue:

    The more this discipline was enforced, the more impossible it became to consider reversing the grounds on which it had been imposed. How could the church, after over a century of insistence on this particular discipline, confess that it had got things wrong? As a priest would say when experts were brought to Rome to consider the matter during the Second Vatican Council, "What then with the millions we have sent to hell if these norms were not valid?" Another priest, who would have a great deal to do with the encyclical Humanae Vitae, said that if the church reversed itself now, it would prove that the Holy Spirit had been with the Anglicans at Lambeth, not with the Pope in Rome. That was an admission Rome could not make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohair_chair
    By now Limbo has to be pretty full, or close to it, so it's not that big a deal. Who wants to be around all those crying babies anyway?
    Now this brings up the question of what's going to happen to everybody that was in limbo. I mean do they go to heaven or do they go to hell? Say you had an infant that passed away 5-10 years ago before getting baptized and you were hoping to meet up with the little tyke in the afterlife - now what happens?

    You know, getting rid of limbo and purgatory is polarizing the afterlife. It brings a "you're either with us or against us" mentality to dieing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by il sogno
    Now this brings up the question of what's going to happen to everybody that was in limbo. I mean do they go to heaven or do they go to hell? Say you had an infant that passed away 5-10 years ago before getting baptized and you were hoping to meet up with the little tyke in the afterlife - now what happens?

    You know, getting rid of limbo and purgatory is polarizing the afterlife. It brings a "you're either with us or against us" mentality to dieing.
    One thing that never was clear to me was whether people in heaven could visit people in the other places -- limbo, purgatory and/or hell. After all, those of us who are not incarcerated can visit people in prison. I am a firm believer in the utility of both limbo and purgatory. Insofar as limbo is concerned, you really don't want the innocent to suffer. But, by the same token, you can't let people into the club (i.e., heaven) if they don't pay the initiation fee (i.e., baptism). Insofar as purgatory is concerned, getting rid of it is exactly as you state -- polarizing. Many people are not saints, but just because they are not saints does not mean that they should go to hell. The thing that I like about the traditional Catholic Church, as opposed to evangelical Christian churches, is that even if you are bad (but not too bad) you can get to heaven eventually -- you just have to spend some time in purgatory.

    I have another question: During my Catholic school years, I spent many hours praying for the poor souls in purgatory. My grandmother used to personalize the whole thing: my grandfather had died just before I was born and she always was admonishing me to pray that my grandfather would get out of purgatory soon (although my mother likened her father to a saint, my grandmother seemed to be sure that he was in purgatory). If there is no purgatory, what happened to all of my prayers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkS
    I have another question: During my Catholic school years, I spent many hours praying for the poor souls in purgatory. My grandmother used to personalize the whole thing: my grandfather had died just before I was born and she always was admonishing me to pray that my grandfather would get out of purgatory soon (although my mother likened her father to a saint, my grandmother seemed to be sure that he was in purgatory). If there is no purgatory, what happened to all of my prayers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by morrison
    I remember reading something similar not too long ago; I think they got rid of pergatory (sp?)
    Purgatory's gone too? Sheesh, they really need to get it together with cc'ing everybody with the afterlife memos here.

    So the choices are either heaven or hell, eh? The in-betweens have been gotten rid of. I'll say it again. The afterlife has become even more of a "you're either with us or against us" kind of place.

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