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    Quote Originally Posted by BicycleBastard View Post
    he was beatable
    Since nobody beat him, he was not beatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinelli 82220 View Post
    Since nobody beat him, he was not beatable.
    He was beatable, there just wasn't anyone there that could beat him. And that's what made him unbeatable.

    But maybe BicycleBastard read this

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/de-v...ere-third-rate

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    Quote Originally Posted by thechriswebb View Post
    sustaining 55 kph.
    freaking re-crazy!
    I hate you all

    j/k lol kthxbye!

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    Quote Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    He was beatable, there just wasn't anyone there that could beat him. And that's what made him unbeatable.

    But maybe BicycleBastard read this

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/de-v...ere-third-rate
    "Tom is the best spring rider of the last twenty years," he said. "But now he needs to try and win Milan-San Remo and the Giro di Lombardia like I did."

    The man has a point. That would be mind blowing, and shut De Vlaeminck up for good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 32and3cross View Post
    Im guessing its pretty much just you. The win was impressive BECAUSE he was beatable. picking the right time and making the move stick are what makes that move impressive. Being smart enough to see to combination of riders and the fact that they would hesitate and watch each other before getting organized is why Boonen's tactics as much as his fitness helped him win.

    He did not open up a huge gap right away in fact it slowing crept upward and stalled out and even fell a few seconds several times which clearly means people were riding to bring him back. BTW sky not "make and effort at one point" they formed a consistant and steady chase for K after K .

    When you talk about the inability of the other riders to work together your basicly talking about every race that is not a straight up hill climb because really if everyone is willing to work together no one is ever getting away, ever playing your opponents against each other and read the race are time honored and powerful tactics.
    Exactly! Sky's effort "at one point" lasted like 20 minutes- and he blew them off. Man, that was Epic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thechriswebb View Post
    sustaining 55 kph.
    Ironically, it was Tom who said after losing Flanders to Cancellara, "I was riding 55kph and he kept gaining time, what can you do when he rides like this?"

    Quote Originally Posted by foto View Post
    "Tom is the best spring rider of the last twenty years," he said. "But now he needs to try and win Milan-San Remo and the Giro di Lombardia like I did."

    The man has a point. That would be mind blowing, and shut De Vlaeminck up for good.
    I don't think he has a point. Tom should go on doing what he wants. De Vlaeminck has a great record but if he keeping score then he should sit down next to Tom and every other rider who isn't Merckx and stop with the petty jabs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thechriswebb View Post
    Who was he beatable by? He probably would have won if they caught him anyway.
    Actually I think if the group had caught him in the last 10k he would have not even made the podium after the effort he made, which is why the win was all that more impressive at some point in the breakaway it became an all or nothing venture for Tom, and that is one of the hardest things about a solo move (at least IMO) typically if it fails you get nothing (and everyone talks about how stupid it was).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 32and3cross View Post
    Actually I think if the group had caught him in the last 10k he would have not even made the podium after the effort he made, which is why the win was all that more impressive at some point in the breakaway it became an all or nothing venture for Tom, and that is one of the hardest things about a solo move (at least IMO) typically if it fails you get nothing (and everyone talks about how stupid it was).
    This is true.
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    nice answer...

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    like. a. boss.

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    which is why I love the classics

    Quote Originally Posted by thechriswebb View Post
    This is true.
    no "I'll finish with the pack and that will keep me in good contention"

    you race to win, sometimes you go all in. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But finishing 2nd doesn't really matter all that much.
    I like the 'all or nothing stakes'

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    yup

    Quote Originally Posted by RRRoubaix View Post
    Exactly! Sky's effort "at one point" lasted like 20 minutes- and he blew them off. Man, that was Epic!
    Sky riders were killing themselves to reel him in. They lost 2 Dons in the chase
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    If he were caught he would've had to answer attacks from Boom, Ballan, and Flecha. If he were strong enough to cover those after being caught, then he wouldn't be caught in the first place. Sitting in the pack would put him in contention for the sprint for 4th imo.
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    Velodog THANKS

    Quote Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    that was awesome, so cool to see from the team car prespective
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    but who says

    Quote Originally Posted by davidka View Post
    If he were caught he would've had to answer attacks from Boom, Ballan, and Flecha. If he were strong enough to cover those after being caught, then he wouldn't be caught in the first place. Sitting in the pack would put him in contention for the sprint for 4th imo.
    Flecha and Boom and Ballan would attack? Boom clearly had nothing after his go. Flecha burned out after chasing. Had the 3 of them caught him, I still wouldn't have bet against him
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    Quote Originally Posted by atpjunkie View Post
    Flecha and Boom and Ballan would attack? Boom clearly had nothing after his go. Flecha burned out after chasing. Had the 3 of them caught him, I still wouldn't have bet against him
    They did attack, just not when Boonen was there to participate.

    My hypothetical scenario has Boonen getting caught by the group. IF that had happened I don't know if he would've been able to cover the counters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidka View Post
    They did attack, just not when Boonen was there to participate.

    My hypothetical scenario has Boonen getting caught by the group. IF that had happened I don't know if he would've been able to cover the counters.
    Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda...

    Boonen rode the entire Peloton off his wheel, don't nothin' else matter.

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    Loving the milquetoast American perspective on display here! Evidently, if you offer any post-victory quote other than, "I rode well today. My teammates did an awesome job. I thank Jesus for helping me win!" and then doing a "Tebow" on camera, then you're an arrogant pr**k?

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    amen

    Quote Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda...

    Boonen rode the entire Peloton off his wheel, don't nothin' else matter.
    they didn't cause they couldn't

    sky had 5 riders w/ 3-4 working plus the other chasers

    1 minute 35 seconds

    azz whupping
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy Spinner View Post
    Loving the milquetoast American perspective on display here! Evidently, if you offer any post-victory quote other than, "I rode well today. My teammates did an awesome job. I thank Jesus for helping me win!" and then doing a "Tebow" on camera, then you're an arrogant pr**k?
    People hate it when someone smarts off about their abilities, and then has the sauce to back it up Personally I love it.
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    Tom was simply awesome that day. And he did not wear any gloves!
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    do you think most Belgians

    Quote Originally Posted by foto View Post
    "Tom is the best spring rider of the last twenty years," he said. "But now he needs to try and win Milan-San Remo and the Giro di Lombardia like I did."

    The man has a point. That would be mind blowing, and shut De Vlaeminck up for good.
    give a rats ass about MSR and Lomardia?
    Belgians love Flanders and Roubaix
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    most P-R specialists don't

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    Tom was simply awesome that day. And he did not wear any gloves!
    they want to feel the stones
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    really? at what sectors?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidka View Post
    They did attack, just not when Boonen was there to participate.

    My hypothetical scenario has Boonen getting caught by the group. IF that had happened I don't know if he would've been able to cover the counters.
    because the only one who tried was Boom. He went solo, Flecha or Ballan did not try to go it alone.
    none of those guys could have dropped Boonen had he been with them or not. Had he not decided to go solo, he could have sat in with them and crushed them on the velodrome. That fact that Boonen went when there was really no reason for him to, is what made the exploit so great. He could have stayed with the group and crushed them in a sprint, he could have gone solo @ l'Harbe but no, he goes @ 50K out and no one, not even the group could reduce his lead. At some point in your life you will understand the greatness that was unveiled, that was not only a great win, but a great win with the utmost of panache
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidka View Post
    If he were caught he would've had to answer attacks from Boom, Ballan, and Flecha. If he were strong enough to cover those after being caught, then he wouldn't be caught in the first place. Sitting in the pack would put him in contention for the sprint for 4th imo.
    That's one hell of an IF.

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