Trek, Specialized, Felt, Cannondale take the top 9 of 10 spots equipment wise. SRAM up there as well. Colnago and Bianchi not even in the tour. Looks like the exotics are becoming even more exotic. God help us Euro fans.
SwiftSolo said:The fact is, the US has continued to blaze the trail in this field. Everyone else follows--some several years behind.
I just got both, because I couldn't figure out what the differences were that people were arguing about.M-theory said:...Which would you rather have, A Trek Madone or a Colnago.
Honestly, I'd rather have a Madone. And I do!
Bee-an-key said:Trek, Specialized, Felt, Cannondale take the top 9 of 10 spots equipment wise. SRAM up there as well. Colnago and Bianchi not even in the tour. Looks like the exotics are becoming even more exotic. God help us Euro fans.
+1 on they all go as fast as the rider can. Put my fat arse on any of these, and they are all just Pintos with flat tires and blown head gaskets.albert owen said:Pinarello - Lambo
Trek - Ford
Colnago - Ferrari
Spesh - GM
Giant - Toyota
They all go as fast as the rider can, but some have style and heritage.
I agree with this. Speaking personally, the best bike I have ever ridden in the new TCR Advanced.jerm182 said:I could be wrong, but I can't really find too many faults with any of the top bike brands being produced today. They all make really nice bikes. They are all capable of very high performance. And they are all generally very reliable.
You're funny.SwiftSolo said:This is really a question of technology and where it comes from at the front of the pack. With proper supervision and great technology you can train chimpanzees to make carbon fiber parts.
The fact is, the US has continued to blaze the trail in this field. Everyone else follows--some several years behind.
And I am sure that you made a fine choice, nothing wrong with a Madone. Then again, I have never met anyone who decided to shell out a couple of grand on a bicycle only to turn around and loudly proclaim their failure on an internet forum.M-theory said:There was a thread awhile back which posed the question...Which would you rather have, A Trek Madone or a Colnago.
Honestly, I'd rather have a Madone. And I do!
Good for you, so long as you have a bike you enjoy. But as for me, I've NEVER understood why someone spends $3k+ on an off-the-peg sized bike. You can get a custom sized bike, with the frame actually made in America for a great deal less than a Madone or a Colnago.M-theory said:There was a thread awhile back which posed the question...Which would you rather have, A Trek Madone or a Colnago.
Honestly, I'd rather have a Madone. And I do!
You mean aside from being 9 out of 10 in the TDF?FondriestFan said:What facts form the basis for this statement? Toray is the world's largest manufacturer of carbon fiber, and it's Japanese.
WTF? These bikes are made in Asia, first of all.SwiftSolo said:You mean aside from being 9 out of 10 in the TDF?
To begin with, I'd suggest that Iran's world standing in oil production may not be indicative of their standing in automobile technology--as an example of the flaw in associating raw materials with technology.
NASA has long held the lead role in composite technology due to the requirements of space travel. Most of state of the art methods have been developed for or by them. That has been the case since the mid 70's.
just put it down and walk awaySwiftSolo said:You mean aside from being 9 out of 10 in the TDF?
To begin with, I'd suggest that Iran's world standing in oil production may not be indicative of their standing in automobile technology--as an example of the flaw in associating raw materials with technology.
NASA has long held the lead role in composite technology due to the requirements of space travel. Most of state of the art methods have been developed for or by them. That has been the case since the mid 70's.
+1 - I'm in the camp that tries to support the craftsmen in our sport.Marc said:You can get a custom sized bike, with the frame actually made in America for a great deal less than a Madone or a Colnago.
I think you may still be having a little trouble separating labor from technology! I'd suggest that the location of an assembly line may not be related to the technology and inventiveness of the product. Sometimes it does have an impact on the quality of workmanship--but not the quality of the technology.FondriestFan said:WTF? These bikes are made in Asia, first of all.
Second of all, the fact that more teams are sponsored by American bike companies is more an indication of the amount of money available to them, not because of superiority in carbon technology.
Good grief.
Dude, stop waving that flag for a minute. Taiwan is the epicenter, and has been for well over a decade, of CF bike parts manufacturing and engineering. All of the know-how is concentrated on that island. They aren't chimpanzees, you know.SwiftSolo said:I think you may still be having a little trouble separating labor from technology! I'd suggest that the location of an assembly line may not be related to the technology and inventiveness of the product. Sometimes it does have an impact on the quality of workmanship--but not the quality of the technology.
Technology? The technology involved in making the carbon fiber lies with Toray in Japan.SwiftSolo said:I think you may still be having a little trouble separating labor from technology! I'd suggest that the location of an assembly line may not be related to the technology and inventiveness of the product. Sometimes it does have an impact on the quality of workmanship--but not the quality of the technology.