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    CAS Rules: Katusha is Pro Tour!

    The CAS has ruled in favour of Katusha.

    The hornet's nest has been kicked open - who does the UCI relegate now that the season has already begun?

    CAS Orders WorldTour Licence For Katusha | Cyclingnews.com

    This is going to get real ugly before it sorts itself out.
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    Wouldn't carrying on with 19 be the easiest option? There will be appeals and legal action should they relegate someone else...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote View Post
    Wouldn't carrying on with 19 be the easiest option? There will be appeals and legal action should they relegate someone else...
    I believe that has been discussed and discarded. I agree, that would avoid a ton of ulcers all around, but Pat and the UCI have so far said they will re-convene the license committee and decide who to throw out.

    If they stick by that, which is by no means assured, the proverbial fertilizer will hit the fan when they decide who to throw out.

    Lotto and Saxo were the last ones granted - so I suspect it will be between those two teams. There will hell to pay when a decision is made. I suspect both teams have thier legal teams warming up in the wings.

    I'll have my popcorn with butter on it please!
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    "What a mess!"

    The Giro's Acquarone dismisses the idea of 19 World Tour teams:

    Acquarone: The WorldTour Must Have 18 Teams | Cyclingnews.com

    What a mess. Now we have 19 teams so Im curious to see whats going to happen. Weve planned everything for 18 teams and then the wildcard teams. Were not ready for 19 WorldTour teams. Logistically everything has been set up for races like Tirreno and the Giro. I really dont know how wed have one more team in the race, Acquarone told Cyclingnews.

    UCI regulations are clear that the WorldTour is comprised of 18 teams, meaning that one team may have be forced to sacrifice its current status for Katusha.

    Im curious to see what the UCI are going to do. Maybe theyll take one team out of the WorldTour because as it stands weve got an agreement for 18 teams, not 19. I just dont know. At the moment I think we have to go back to 18 teams but I will speak to the UCI next week and help to work on finding a solution.
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    IIRC, the ASO and Giro had a tough time wanting to allow the UCI 18 team slots back when Patrice Clerc headed the GT group in conflict with McQuaid. 19 means some Italian, French and Spanish pro conti squad would likely get excluded from their Grand Tour and that's going to be a tough sell.

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    I think all this talk about how they can't arrange logistics for 19 teams (1 extra team) is a bunch of bull! What is it about 1 extra team that the logistics machine can't handle??

    Sounds more like politics and grand-standing talk from a bunch of egos to me. This ain't about logistics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
    I think all this talk about how they can't arrange logistics for 19 teams (1 extra team) is a bunch of bull! What is it about 1 extra team that the logistics machine can't handle??

    Sounds more like politics and grand-standing talk from a bunch of egos to me. This ain't about logistics.
    Agreed - sounds like BS to me - but considering how irrational leadership has been at the UCI - I expect the worst possible scenario to emerge as the final conclusion of this sordid excercise.

    Question: Should we take this ruling as a representation by the CAS that they do not feel the UCI is capable of determining who is World Tour level or not? Or, is this ruling just saying - "Okay, no problem generally but you guys were seriously jacked-up when you made this specific call"?
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    I'm glad that Purito gets into the big races. I agree with LostViking its going to get ugly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LostViking View Post
    Agreed - sounds like BS to me - but considering how irrational leadership has been at the UCI - I expect the worst possible scenario to emerge as the final conclusion of this sordid excercise.

    Question: Should we take this ruling as a representation by the CAS that they do not feel the UCI is capable of determining who is World Tour level or not? Or, is this ruling just saying - "Okay, no problem generally but you guys were seriously jacked-up when you made this specific call"?
    The basis of the UCI's decision was based on "ethical" reasons right? and not based on the athletic ability of the team. So whatever CAS ruling is (yet to be released to the public), it has to surround the question of ethics. And usually whenever there is ethics questions, there are usually some politics of ethics involved.

    UCI is becoming bigger and bigger joke. It embarassing to have an outside organization (CAS) telling you (UCI) how to interpret your own rules. Yep, joke.

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    New rule: The first team to have a rider test positive for PEDs gets eliminated.

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    And it will get ugly on multiple levels - Lotto and Saxo will be exchanging pre-emptive broadsides as soon as it becomes clear that they are under consideration for removal.

    All the organizations that have recently traded barbs with Fat Pat and the stooges over at the UCI will pour whatever salt they can on yet another case of the UCI setting itself up for disaster.

    Those who have called for a World Series of cycling as well as those who have called for an overhaul of the UCI will have a field-day as Pat & Co. squirm in the wind.

    And then there is Riis - this will again put him on the hot-seat as well.
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    Does the UCI intentionally make the wrong decision on everything! they simply defy logic on almost every occasion. so they are going to drop saxo ( with contador as tour contender) or Lotto ( who have sponsored cycling since the stone age) because 19 teams is an uneven number. Please put Lemond in charge. now.

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    Agreed- this will get ugly.
    And it makes sense that they will toss one of the last two to get their status. I can't picture them tossing Saxo, what with the Golden Boy El Pistolero... unfortunately I can see them tossing Lotto. The UCI doesn't give a d@mn if Lotto has been one of the staunchest supporters of cycling.
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    Once again, the obvious answer (19 teams) eludes them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRRoubaix View Post
    Once again, the obvious answer (19 teams) eludes them.
    because, as usual, the best approach is just to kick the can down the road and let the race organizers deal with the sh!t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Local Hero View Post
    New rule: The first team to have a rider test positive for PEDs gets eliminated.
    nice. the only problem would be that every team would call in sick for the season.
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    Wasn't Lotto one of the later teams to get included just because of paperwork? I seem to remember people thinking their liscense would be granted in the first group and they were fine points wise? Greipel had quite a few wins...which would point to Saxo.

    On another site, someone suggested cutting teams by 1 person for races with wildcards already announced (giro in particular)....and for those with wildcard slots still up in the air, reduce the number of wild card slots by 1. Seems like a good idea to me.

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    Thumbs up 19 it is!

    In a surprizingly smart move, the UCI has announced it will allow 19 World Tour Teams this year!

    UCI Confirms 19 WorldTour Teams For 2013 | Cyclingnews.com

    Has a new era of reason dawned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LostViking View Post
    In a surprizingly smart move, the UCI has announced it will allow 19 World Tour Teams this year!

    UCI Confirms 19 WorldTour Teams For 2013 | Cyclingnews.com

    Has a new era of reason dawned?
    will the pro continental teams then take their case to CAS that they are not being cheated out of one spot for the pro tour races? seems only fair.
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    Good question den. Time will tell. I'm not sure saying good bye to a wild card slot does that much. Looks like some Continental team doesn't get inivited to events. I'm not sure how it will affect the Giro. Weren't they trying to set teams last week inspite of this pending decision?

    What's next? ASO vs UCI in a steel cage match?

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    CAS Rules: Katusha is Pro Tour!

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    I don't think the UCI has the power to demand that the grand tour organizers admit 19 teams. The agreement was for 18 if I recall and even that was a struggle for the UCI to get.

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    If organizers are not happy and their deal was indeed for 18 World Tour teams automatically invited, they could throw a wrench and not invite one of the World Tour team... This smells Unibet.com all over again.

    I haven't seen a report saying why CAS ruled in favor of Katusha... but it could be that the rules to earn a World Tour spot were not too clear for the teams. What makes Katusha fail in ethics while Astana passes for exemple? And could it be that, since the UCI are so corrupted, full of conflict of interests and unethical themselves, CAS judged that the UCI weren't qualified to judge the teams on their ethics and so could not use that criteria to disqualify Katusha? I'm curious...

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    My guess is that organizers will simply adjust by inviting one less continental level squad per race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashadabd View Post
    My guess is that organizers will simply adjust by inviting one less continental level squad per race.
    Yes... but in some cases, the wildcards have already been invited and announced... And while there's a big part of politics, some races already have booked the hotels and everything for a precise number of teams, it can be figured out, but I would understand some organisers to be pissed at the UCI...

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    Needless to say, this is going to be an interesting season .


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