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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamM View Post
    Maybe it's other factors, but it seems to me that compared to HTC in recent years, Sky as the sprinter's team isn't keeping the pace high enough in the final 3 or 4k's. HTC would have things lined out hard for the final few k's, which kept a lot of the nonsense under control, but Sky lost the bunch both days. With 2k left you basically had RAGRAI and then a cat 4 pack sprint with 60+ guys thinking they're going to win the race.
    The HTC train had 3 top 10 sprinters in it (both Renshaw and Goss finished in the top 10 both yesterday and today), so it's understandable that this year's teams aren't quite as strong as the 2011 HTC team.

    But I also wonder how much of it is on Cav. Yeah, Sky lost a bunch of the train early. But with 1.3k left, two Sky riders were in front but Cav had lost their wheel.

    Orica Green Edge had a strong lead out today. Three riders in front for the last 1k to lead out Goss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cq20 View Post
    IMO it was an incredibly stupid/thoughtless, but nor premeditated, move by Ferrari. He deserves to be punished for it and a severe fine will have more impact than a relegation in his case but, personally, I can't see a case for him being DQ'ed.
    I don't know, he had plenty of space to the left, but decides to cross 3 lanes of traffic when there wasn't an opening? He didn't get on farrar's wheel, we went clear past farrar to the right and chops cavendish. That italian video above makes it pretty hard to believe it was just an accident.

    How do you take out the world champ, and not even get a fine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by foto View Post
    I don't know, he had plenty of space to the left, but decides to cross 3 lanes of traffic when there wasn't an opening? He didn't get on farrar's wheel, we went clear past farrar to the right and chops cavendish. That italian video above makes it pretty hard to believe it was just an accident.

    How do you take out the world champ, and not even get a fine?
    Probably because the move was stupid and thoughtless...but I don't think there was any way that Ferrari could have known Cav's front wheel would be where it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiro11 View Post
    The guy's reputation in the peloton is shot at least. That's probably worse than anything the race jury could have done.
    Bingo. Absolutely correct. This is the punishment -- worse than a fine or a DQ. Roberto Ferrari's name now belongs with Theo Bos and other fool sprinters who are disliked in the peloton. When Theo Bos crashed yesterday I don't think anyone in the pro peloton cared. Roberto Ferrari made his bed.

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    Ferrari was looking for a clear place to sprint, obviously he didn't see Cavendish coming full speed from behind. Cav was bad placed, and was making his way to the front from far, that is something not usually expected on a bunch sprint.

    Ferrari was wrong in cuting to the right, and not hold his line, even though at that precise moment he had no line because he had the 3 others in front, one of the riders in front opened to the right ( name?), and Ferrari did the same, opening wider to place himself to the right side of him. Sure it would have been easier to open to the left but probably he was following the wheel and the opening to the right of the rider in front.

    Usually when a sprinter comes from behind trying to find a spot for sprinting, he has to take care of his placement and avoid collisions with riders being left behind, and once he has his opening, then hold his line.

    This simply happened too fast for Cavendish to react. bad bad luck.

    And about Phinney and his team, well one of the main things about being the race leader is to keep himself out of trouble. Bad luck and a bit of inexperience for him too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cq20 View Post
    IMO it was an incredibly stupid/thoughtless, but nor premeditated, move by Ferrari. He deserves to be punished for it and a severe fine will have more impact than a relegation in his case but, personally, I can't see a case for him being DQ'ed.
    200 Swiss Francs doesn't send a message. That was his fine, plus relegation to last. He is a sprinter though so if you aren't first, you are last.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spookyload View Post
    200 Swiss Francs doesn't send a message. That was his fine, plus relegation to last. He is a sprinter though so if you aren't first, you are last.
    Agreed. I don't count that as a severe fine. Even worse, he doesn't appear to be in any way contrite. Although his actions were reckless and his post race attitude contemptible, I still don't think it was a deliberate "take out".

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    Quote Originally Posted by gusmahler View Post
    Cav was in 5th place when the accident happened.
    cav was going to finish 1st.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fornaca68 View Post
    Bingo. Absolutely correct. This is the punishment -- worse than a fine or a DQ. Roberto Ferrari's name now belongs with Theo Bos and other fool sprinters who are disliked in the peloton. When Theo Bos crashed yesterday I don't think anyone in the pro peloton cared. Roberto Ferrari made his bed.

    Shameful move by Ferrari.
    maybe he can get danielo hondo on his team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa_Lover View Post
    And about Phinney and his team, well one of the main things about being the race leader is to keep himself out of trouble. Bad luck and a bit of inexperience for him too.
    well being up front next to cav isn't all that bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa_Lover View Post

    And about Phinney and his team, well one of the main things about being the race leader is to keep himself out of trouble. Bad luck and a bit of inexperience for him too.

    He was about where you expect a GC rider to be for a bunch sprint, out of the spring mayhem but in the front of the peloton, Where exactly do you think he should be? Middle of the bunch? OTB? broomwagon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylint View Post
    He was about where you expect a GC rider to be for a bunch sprint, out of the spring mayhem but in the front of the peloton, Where exactly do you think he should be? Middle of the bunch? OTB? broomwagon?
    about where you expect a successful GC rider to be in any case. For those in doubt take a look at Evans finishes the first 10 days of the tour last year. Or how the Schlecks tried to do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gusmahler View Post

    But I also wonder how much of it is on Cav. Yeah, Sky lost a bunch of the train early. But with 1.3k left, two Sky riders were in front but Cav had lost their wheel.
    At about 2:55 in the video. Sky has the right side of the road but it narrows at that point heading into a sharp left. There are other teams along side. Cav gets separated from his two Sky guys when they accelerate and Renshaw slots in between. Cav is good enough to work his way back so he rode Renshaw's wheel until the sprint started to open up but he was certainly stuck a long way back.

    I would not fault him for any tactics but the Sky train could have been more in control. The accelerating and weaving in traffic causes pace lines to get broken.
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    Sorry, but Ferrari should be dq'd. That was one of the most egregious examples of reckless riding I've witnessed in almost 40 years of following professional bicycle racing.

    However, being allowed to continue may ultimately be worse. The peloton has a long memory.
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    Renshaw was disqualified for a headbutt at the tour. I don't recall anyone being hurt by the incident. Ferrari displays a perfect example of dangerous reckless riding taking down and injuring riders and receives a $200 fine and is just relegated.
    Different races and different nationalities involved but it doesn't make sense.
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    That was egregious. If everyone in the bunch was riding like that nobody would have finished on their wheels. Ejection would not be too harsh.

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    I bet Ferrari is either going to get punched or somehow end up on the ground next stage.
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    If I were Roberto Ferrari, I'd DQ myself. Cavendish is not the sort of gentleman to be trifled with.

    25 cents says tomorrow he suddenly appears on the ground with a tubular wrapped around his neck...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gordy748 View Post
    If I were Roberto Ferrari, I'd DQ myself. Cavendish is not the sort of gentleman to be trifled with.

    25 cents says tomorrow he suddenly appears on the ground with a tubular wrapped around his neck...
    LOL.

    Tomorrow is a rest day and the day after is the team time trial. I wonder if all the anger will have subsided by the next group stage.

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    Ferrari's move was indeed ridiculous and Cav was lucky not to be seriously injured.
    BUT:
    If this had been last year, no hopers like Ferrari wouldn't have been anywhere near the front at the sharp end of a stage like this. The HTC Train would have reduced the field down to the serious contenders who would then have contested the final showdown.
    The problem Cav has is that the Sky boys just don't have the power or speed for sustained high tempo peleton destruction duties. Cav was actually freewheeling and looking for a wheel to follow a couple of seconds before he was brought down - going that slow is always going to lead to trouble.

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    All this "worst I've seen" stuff - anyone remember Abdoujaparov?
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