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    Unhappy Landis AWOL....???

    So it seems that Floyd was a no-show at last's night's Criterium in Chaam in the Netherlands and has pulled out of the forthcoming post-tour Grand Prix Jyske Bank crit in Denmark. Several sources here in Europe have noted w/ some alarm that this is all happening after the release of the adverse analytical finding of one TDF rider's A sample. The dutch organiswer has tried w/out success to contact landis and/or Phonak management and is "worried" about what all this means. Also, some speculation as to the announcement of Floyd's necrotic hip during the TDF as a counter-fire being lit in advance of a positive cortisone finding... I'm crossing my fingers that all of this is just speculation and that the adverse A sample finding is just some peleton-fodder rider's. I would really hate to see the TDF podium be mucked up by a failed test!

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    Say it ain't so Floyd!

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    USA Cycling has not been contacted


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    very small chance it's Landis

    What are the odds? 1 in 144 or 145?

    The odds are much better that the incompetent and corrupt anit-doping institutions that cover our sport (and others) will leak the info of the rider well before the B sample is processed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr meow meow
    What are the odds? 1 in 144 or 145?
    Actually if the reports are true that it is from stage 17, that makes it somewhat likely it is Landis. As the stage winner he would have been one of the few guys tested. I think they typically test 4-6 rider per stage including the stage winner and the yellow jersey holder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philippec
    Also, some speculation as to the announcement of Floyd's necrotic hip during the TDF as a counter-fire being lit in advance of a positive cortisone finding...
    I thought the UCI (or whoever) approved Landis for getting two cortisone b/4 the Tour? I don't know how long cortisone remains in the body.

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    So it seems that the rider is not of Belgian, French, Italian or Spanish nationality and we have the National Federations of the US and of Australia denying they have been contacted. It also seems that the rider is in the top 10.

    So, looking at the General Classification:

    1 Floyd Landis (USA) Phonak
    2 Oscar Pereiro (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears
    3 Andreas Klöden (Ger) T-Mobile
    4 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC
    5 Cadel Evans (Aus) Davitamon-Lotto
    6 Denis Menchov (Rus) Rabobank
    7 Cyril Dessel (Fra) AG2R-Prevoyance
    8 Christophe Moreau (Fra) AG2R-Prevoyance
    9 Haimar Zubeldia (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi
    10 Michael Rogers (Aus) T-Mobile

    That leaves us with Kloden or Menchov ... but why has Landis gone AWOL, especially since he was in Chaam on Wednesday morning and seemed to be doing just fine when several locals had breakfast with him...????

    The plot sickens....

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    Fishy situation ...

    Apparently a Top 10 rider is involved. Official sources confirm that in any case the rider in question isn't of Spanish, Italian, Belgian or French nationality ... Landis' team manager, John Lelangue, was not available for comments. He also left his hotel for urgent medical attention (his hip, according to his team mates who did show up at the crit), although he had breakfast just before with some people for promo and did win the crit in Stiphout the day before. He didn't even warn the organisation of the crit himself, one of his team mates did.

    Which leaves us with Landis, Klöden, Evans, Menchov and Rogers ...

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    you're right

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwayne Barry
    Actually if the reports are true that it is from stage 17, that makes it somewhat likely it is Landis. As the stage winner he would have been one of the few guys tested. I think they typically test 4-6 rider per stage including the stage winner and the yellow jersey holder.
    So on that stage, Landis, Periero and two unknowns were tested. that's 1 in 4...
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    Quote Originally Posted by philippec
    So it seems that the rider is not of Belgian, French, Italian or Spanish nationality and we have the National Federations of the US and of Australia denying they have been contacted. It also seems that the rider is in the top 10.

    So, looking at the General Classification:

    1 Floyd Landis (USA) Phonak
    2 Oscar Pereiro (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears
    3 Andreas Klöden (Ger) T-Mobile
    4 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC
    5 Cadel Evans (Aus) Davitamon-Lotto
    6 Denis Menchov (Rus) Rabobank
    7 Cyril Dessel (Fra) AG2R-Prevoyance
    8 Christophe Moreau (Fra) AG2R-Prevoyance
    9 Haimar Zubeldia (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi
    10 Michael Rogers (Aus) T-Mobile

    That leaves us with Kloden or Menchov ... but why has Landis gone AWOL, especially since he was in Chaam on Wednesday morning and seemed to be doing just fine when several locals had breakfast with him...????

    The plot sickens....

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    Are these the their nationalities or the countries where their licences are held? Seem to remember several riders having licences from their country of residence rather than nationality.

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    In the immortal words (paraphrased) of Murrray Head:

    Say it ain't so Floyd, please, say it ain't so
    That's not what I wanna hear Floyd
    Ain't I got a right to know
    Say it ain't so Floyd, please, say it ain't so
    I' m sure they're telling us lies Floyd
    Please tell us it ain't so

    They told us that our hero has played his joker
    He doesn't know how to go on
    We're clinging to his charm and determined smile
    But the good ol' days have gone

    The image and the empire may be falling apart
    The money has gotten scarce
    One man's word held the country together
    But the truth is getting fierce

    Say it ain't so Floyd, please, say it ain't so
    We pinned our hopes on you Floyd
    And they're ruining our show

    Ooh babies, don't you think we're gonna get burned
    Ooh babies, don't you think we're gonna get burned
    we're gonna get turned, we're gonna get learned
    Yes, we're gonna get turned, we're gonna get burned
    we're gonna get learned,
    Yes,we're gonna get burned
    we're gonna get burned, we're gonna get learned
    yes, we're gonna get turned, we're gonna get burned


    Over the top? Yes! But I have that song looping through my head right now and when I googled the lyrics, I couldn't believe the fit to the current situation.

    Say it ain't so Floyd!

    (Ironic, but I am finding myself wishing that something bad has happened to Floyd's hip so that his absence can be explained .....)
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    I'm betting something has gone wrong with the hip, and the damage is worse than we think. Unfortunate timing, though.

    At least that's what I'm telling myself.

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    Are you worried because you have become a fan of Floyd?

    Or is it because of what a mess it will make of the race if the Tour winner is busted ala the Vuelta?
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    these are better than i was expecting, and my expectations were already rather high.

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    Ho-hum

    Quote Originally Posted by botto
    Say it ain't so Floyd!
    Say it ain't so (insert name here)

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    Question Where are the bookies on this one...

    ...and where do you think Daddy Merckx's money is riding now?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MB1
    Or is it because of what a mess it will make of the race if the Tour winner is busted ala the Vuelta?
    Both!! I am a Floyd Fan and I would hate to see the Tour f-cked w/ a busted leader. I really was digging what Floyd did this year and told him so in Paris when ran across him after the finish (me and dozens of others!!)

    I'm hoping it's not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philippec
    So it seems that Floyd was a no-show at last's night's Criterium in Chaam in the Netherlands and has pulled out of the forthcoming post-tour Grand Prix Jyske Bank crit in Denmark. Several sources here in Europe have noted w/ some alarm that this is all happening after the release of the adverse analytical finding of one TDF rider's A sample. The dutch organiswer has tried w/out success to contact landis and/or Phonak management and is "worried" about what all this means. Also, some speculation as to the announcement of Floyd's necrotic hip during the TDF as a counter-fire being lit in advance of a positive cortisone finding... I'm crossing my fingers that all of this is just speculation and that the adverse A sample finding is just some peleton-fodder rider's. I would really hate to see the TDF podium be mucked up by a failed test!

    A+

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    And you all thought it was his stupid TT position that made him fast, ha!

    Saddened but not surprised if it's true. Can't trust those dang menonites!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyRider47
    Do you have that sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach....?


    EasyRider47....(maybe I should sign off....QueasyRider...?)
    Me too...I hate it when I have "gut feelings" about these things...
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    Be kinda ironic if it was Menchov...

    I got the bad feeling too though...

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    Unhappy That sinking feeling just fell off the continental shelf...

    ...for me when I read the following:

    UCI president Pat McQuaid has refused to confirm whether the rider involved in the positive doping case is Landis, but has told a number of reporters that he is “very angry” with the news and admitted the credibility of the sport is in danger. He is quoted on the Italian Tuttobici website as saying: "It's the worst possible scenario."

    Taken from this post by Noël:

    Postive A test? Landis?

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    Speculations continue, as Floyd hasn't reacted yet, nor did his team. It seems as if he's disappeared of the face of the earth. Meanwhile, the UCI stated the involved rider, his team and his national cycling association have been notified. Fact the American association did deny the rider is one of their members, but Landis officially is a member of the Spanish cycling association, so he doesn't hold a racing licence in the US.

    CSC meanwhile has denied one of their riders is involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyRider47
    the silence from his camp is deafening
    What about all the other camps?

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    Unhappy

    Quote Originally Posted by zero85ZEN
    ...for me when I read the following:

    UCI president Pat McQuaid has refused to confirm whether the rider involved in the positive doping case is Landis, but has told a number of reporters that he is “very angry” with the news and admitted the credibility of the sport is in danger. He is quoted on the Italian Tuttobici website as saying: "It's the worst possible scenario."

    Taken from this post by Noël:

    Postive A test? Landis?
    McQuaid's statement pretty much confirms it is Landis -- but bear in mind we are talking about a adverse analytical finding on an "A" sample to be confirmed or negated by a test of the "B" sample. Furthermore, Floyd's absence may be explained by the fact that the "B" sample should be opened and tested in the presence of the rider himself or his representative. I'll keep an eye out for Floyd here in paris since the testing lab is just south of here in the suburbs...

    Waaahh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belgian biker
    Speculations continue, as Floyd hasn't reacted yet, nor did his team. It seems as if he's disappeared of the face of the earth. Meanwhile, the UCI stated the involved rider, his team and his national cycling association have been notified. Fact the American association did deny the rider is one of their members, but Landis officially is a member of the Spanish cycling association, so he doesn't hold a racing licence in the US.

    CSC meanwhile has denied one of their riders is involved.
    Pretty sure Spain has also denied any notification from the UCI.

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