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    Question 1985 Raleigh Super Course Questions.

    If I pick up a 1985 Raleigh Super Course in good shape:

    1) What's a reasonable price for one? Apparently all original being sold by the original owner.

    2) Would I be able to put a Campagnolo Athena 11 Speed groupset on it?

    3) Should I put a Campagnolo Athena 11 Speed groupset on it?


    Thanks for any input!
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    Here's a pic of it:

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    The used bike market is hurting pretty bad now, prices have dropped significantly over the past year.

    While the Nottingham Super Courses are generally known as decent Raleighs made with Reynolds 531. This one is not that, it is made in the USA(?) from a cheaper tube set the 555, the thing weighs 23+lbs.

    Can you put a new 11 speed groupset on it, yes.
    Is it worthy of Athena 11, no way!

    Personally I would pass on that bike and keep looking for a nicer frame. If you had to buy it no more than $180-200, thatís if you want to be nice to the original owner.

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    Also consider fit. This is a bike for a very tall person. My guess is 62 cm frame size or thereabouts. As to the weight of this bike: more like 27+ lbs.

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    It's market value in my area (St. Louis) is no more than $100.
    You could put Athena on it with a lot of work and expense..
    You shouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynolds531 View Post
    It's market value in my area (St. Louis) is no more than $100.
    You could put Athena on it with a lot of work and expense..
    You shouldn't.
    I didn't buy it.


    I offered him $160. He said he'd hold on to it.
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    You offered a very reasonable price, but as some mentioned the "local market" determines the price on these types of bikes. As an original owner, he has vested too many miles in the bike to part with those memories at less than "top value for an original vintage bike".

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    FWIW, I have an '84 Grand Course - one of the ones build in England (531 tubing). For THAT bike I paid $500 earlier this year and have been pretty satisfied, but the real value is in the hand-built frame with the quality tubing. Mine has a mix of older Campy Centaur, Mirage, and a DuraAce rear derailer and shifters.
    For a US-built frame, I wouldn't have paid as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WTaylorA View Post
    FWIW, I have an '84 Grand Course - one of the ones build in England (531 tubing). For THAT bike I paid $500 earlier this year and have been pretty satisfied, but the real value is in the hand-built frame with the quality tubing. Mine has a mix of older Campy Centaur, Mirage, and a DuraAce rear derailer and shifters.
    For a US-built frame, I wouldn't have paid as much.
    '84 Grand Course, with mish mash groupset, oh wow. Love to see a pic.

    Yeah you wouldn't want a Sachs, Eisentraut, Masi, Confetti, DellaSanta, Bruce Gordon, Weigle, Serotta, Davidson, etc, etc.

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    Hard to tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but I'll try to post pics soon.

    Would I rather have a Sachs, Masi, etc? Sure! But this was a bike I found locally when I was looking, and it IS a nice frame. Reynolds 531C frame & fork, windowed lugs, Gipiemme ends.... Ride is quite nice. Did I over-pay? Maybe, but compared to your average, mass-produced Trek/Giant/whatever AL frame, it is a great ride, and I don't have any regrets.

    How does it compare to my Trek or my Litespeed? That's another story.

    I'll post pics when I can, but meanwhile, here is a very similar one (only difference on the frame that I see is the "Triumph" badge).
    1984 Triumph Gran Course by Raleigh
    (and a page from the '84 catalog with a small pic of the frame: http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalog...4/ral84_15.jpg)

    All in all.. yeah, I'd rather have a classic Italian frame, but a hand-built frame from one of the better British shops? The ride has been worth the $$ I spent.

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    rear spacing too narrow for drop in fit of Campy 10-11

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    But can be stretched. My '84 Gran Course will take a 9-speed Shimano without too much effort, but something you may want to consider is that if stretching the rear out for a modern rear wheel, you may want to have a shop align the drop-outs to keep them square against the axel. Simply bending the frame outward may lead to some alignment issues, and I've heard a FEW cases of people complaining of broken dropouts or broken axels, but YMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurus10 View Post
    rear spacing too narrow for drop in fit of Campy 10-11
    Quote Originally Posted by WTaylorA View Post
    But can be stretched. My '84 Gran Course will take a 9-speed Shimano without too much effort, but something you may want to consider is that if stretching the rear out for a modern rear wheel, you may want to have a shop align the drop-outs to keep them square against the axel. Simply bending the frame outward may lead to some alignment issues, and I've heard a FEW cases of people complaining of broken dropouts or broken axels, but YMMV.


    If the dropout spacing is 130mm, will it matter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cda 455 View Post
    Here's a pic of it:

    Hi, that must be a foreign model, or foreign to (United States)

    The United States model has a chrome headset, forks and frame/chainstays. Also, they have RACINGUSA on them..

    Here is pic of Super Course in the 1985 Raleigh Catalog..

    1985 Raleigh USA Bicycle Catalogue Page 1

    Here is a picture of a live one.. ;)





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    Quote Originally Posted by cehowardraleighGS View Post
    Hi, that must be a foreign model, or foreign to (United States)

    The United States model has a chrome headset, forks and frame/chainstays. Also, they have RACINGUSA on them..

    Here is pic of Super Course in the 1985 Raleigh Catalog..

    1985 Raleigh USA Bicycle Catalogue Page 1

    Here is a picture of a live one.. ;)




    When I was doing research on it I found out the model I was looking at was in fact a 1983 model.

    The owner said it was a 1985 because he bought it (Brand new) in 1985!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cda 455 View Post
    When I was doing research on it I found out the model I was looking at was in fact a 1983 model.

    The owner said it was a 1985 because he bought it (Brand new) in 1985!
    Cool! The reason why I knew that it wasn't an 1985 Raleigh Super Course is because I have been hunting like mad for that one. Raleigh made Four models in the sport racing series in 1985I got all three except the 85 Super Course. I would love to have the one I posted up as an example but the seller is asking tad too much..

    The four 85 Raleigh RacingUSA series are.

    Prestige,
    Competition
    Super Course
    Grand Prix.

    Safe riding to you,

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    Quote Originally Posted by cehowardraleighGS View Post
    Cool! The reason why I knew that it wasn't an 1985 Raleigh Super Course is because I have been hunting like mad for that one. Raleigh made Four models in the sport racing series in 1985I got all three except the 85 Super Course. I would love to have the one I posted up as an example but the seller is asking tad too much..

    The four 85 Raleigh RacingUSA series are.

    Prestige,
    Competition
    Super Course
    Grand Prix.

    Safe riding to you,
    If you are still looking I have a large one (63cm)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtedquist View Post
    If you are still looking I have a large one (63cm)
    Looks like I missed it.. Did see this post until 9 months later.. I happen to be 73, so I am allowed to be forgetfull at the early stages of senilty.

    You still got it let me know.. Will try to check back in a day or two..

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