Carbon ebay frames

[euro-trash]

The Hasa thread is so large it's hard to navigate (and many of the ebay links no longer work), so I'm starting a new thread.

I'm looking at these two frames. Does anyone who has ordered either want to chime-in on build quality? Does anyone have any more geometry info than what is provided by the sellers? I guess more importantly, is the geo info they provide accurate?

Anyone ridden both have have a comment on ride quality (I'm guessing they are similar in terms of stiffness and the all-overestimated vertical compliance). Thanks.