Ebay and Chinese Direct Carbon Wheel Thread 2.0

[Creatre]

Got everything mounted up on my Yoeleo wheels. FYI, new Pro4 endurance are hard as crap to mount. I've been very very impressed with the wheels, bearings are super smooth and spin forever. Very light (don't have a precise scale so didn't weigh), and are very very stiff. I haven't seen any defects in the carbon, and the matt 3k carbon looks great.

I had Neuvation wheels before these, and I have to say, I think Yoeleo wheels are a step up. They seem really well put together. I would definitely recommend them, they've had excellent customer service as well. Even sending me a carbon bottle cage since they didn't do SAT to my wheels, I didn't even want it, but Leo insisted.

Here are some pics, finally got my 10 posts (sorry I didn't take more or better ones, but at least I took a few!):

[mbsmit958]

Sorry guys, sold my old wheels and needed to ship them out today, so rushed and tried to get everything together on the new ones before taking pics. Unfortunately couldn't get the new tires on. Why I buy new tires in the winter is besides me, its always so cold I cant get that crap on. I'll take some pics tonight after going by the shop to finish putting the tires on with everything mounted up.

Hi Creatre: did you have to pay customs tax on your wheels? Just placed an order with Yoeleo for the Superlight 38mm model.

[winter008]

Hi,Create Very beautiful bike. Wheels look great. What does SAT mean that you mention? And can you share link? Thanks.

[Tswifty]

Well, FarSport came back and responded to me and said to sand down the bubbling of the carbon as it is only in appearance. I told them that it is not acceptable and will not use the wheels in those condition.

I was going to purchase another wheelset but given their response and completely ignoring their warranty, I absolutely CANNOT recommend purchasing from them again. It's messed up when you tires last 4X as long as your rims. For reference, my Conti GP 4000S are 2-1/2 years old and have >4K miles and still has plenty of miles left.

Bottom line: I got 5 months of use (1.5K miles) out of a $550 wheelset. You guys can figure it out it it's worth it for you.

Funny thing people say about Chinese rims "You get what you pay for"
Looks like this is the case here. But getting Carbon Clinchers from China was the first mistake you made.

[adam_mac84]

I have been looking around at the 23mm carbon tubulars out there... They are sold as CX wheels. I am curious if you guys think they would have similar aero properties (in regard to the 'lightbulb effect' of tires being wider than the rim). I would like to use them for road racing and then maybe for CX next fall. Then I could pass my race wheels (16 spoke bontragers) on to my wife... who is 80# lighter than me, maybe more appropriate for her

[Doomedofthedead]

A lot of brave people here... I was going to try out Yishun wheels but after having three failed frames from them, no way would I use a Chinese supplier ever again. Wheels... if they fail, you do down fast. Hell you have local builders such as Williams and others who make light wheels for half the price of Zipp.
Check them out - if your Chinese built wheels or frame fails, you are in a bad place to recieve any compensation or even a replacement. After complaining to `Danny' who introduced himself as the sales manager at Yishun, regarding third frame in a row to reach me with catastrophic manufacturing faults I just got abuse and a message daring me to complain to AliExpress... "I will play with you" his charming last words.
Satan alive... why even risk it?

[Doomedofthedead]

Like I was saying in another thread - you have domestic wheel makers such as Williams, or 2Quick and even Planet X now. There are mid priced alternatives to risking your neck on cheap Chinese wheels. Ive only bought 4 items from the far east; bars from Carbon Zone, and 2 frames from Yishun, and they were all so badly made non of them made it to the road in the first place. Well non bar one frame, FM 032 which snapped in under an hour.
Like I'd wish to try that again with badly made carbon wheels! Death in a word.

[jmorgan]

You do realize Williams, or 2Quick and even Planet X are almost certainly all made in China also and they just put their logo on them and charge you twice as much. They may not even do QC work on them, who knows.

[stevesbike]

You do realize Williams, or 2Quick and even Planet X are almost certainly all made in China also and they just put their logo on them and charge you twice as much. They may not even do QC work on them, who knows.

Vendors like Planet X deal with well-established carbon manufacturers and do QC checks. When you buy small orders direct on your own you have no idea who made the item or even if it is a defect from a factory that someone has bought from an employee who stole it from the reject pile.

[Doomedofthedead]

Vendors like Planet X deal with well-established carbon manufacturers and do QC checks. When you buy small orders direct on your own you have no idea who made the item or even if it is a defect from a factory that someone has bought from an employee who stole it from the reject pile.

yep - what Steve just said. Sound like a plan?

[rydbyk]

Well, FarSport came back and responded to me and said to sand down the bubbling of the carbon as it is only in appearance. I told them that it is not acceptable and will not use the wheels in those condition.

I was going to purchase another wheelset but given their response and completely ignoring their warranty, I absolutely CANNOT recommend purchasing from them again. It's messed up when you tires last 4X as long as your rims. For reference, my Conti GP 4000S are 2-1/2 years old and have >4K miles and still has plenty of miles left.

Bottom line: I got 5 months of use (1.5K miles) out of a $550 wheelset. You guys can figure it out it it's worth it for you.

I am surprised that if you can actually push the bubbles on the wheel in and they are "soft" that FarSports will not replace the wheel.

There is a big language barrier. Are you sure that they understand exactly what has happened to the wheel.

They know they have a LOT to lose if things go wrong on these forums for them. Let them know that you post here...loved the wheel...just want a replacement and that you will let everyone know how great they are....yadda yadda..

Note: I have the same wheels. I have noticed that there seems to be some raised bumps on my rear wheel. I am not sure if it is brake pad debris/build-up or if the carbon has gone wrong... I was thinking about sanding it down. Hmmm

.02

[kleinetako]

If the bumps are on the surface away from the brake track and the bead, they could be cosmetic. From what I've read, it sounds like the wheels are all 3k carbon, and if you specify UD finish, they put a layer over the top to give it that finish.

It wasn't specified what finish your wheels are, but if it's not 3k, I'm guessing that it's in the finish layer only and could probably be sanded down without issue. Makes me wonder if I should have ordered 3k instead of UD...

EDIT: I just looked at the pics again. That appears to be on the 3k brake track, so not cosmetic...

That being said, they really should provide a replacement for it. Rydbyk is right, most of these chinese vendors rely heavily on forum feedback, so any negative responses should be dealt with quickly.

[bikerjones]

Has anyone recently purchased from Velobuild.com lately? I ordered some Far Sport 50mm N Series Wheels on Dec. 5 and received a confirmation email, but I haven't heard from Far Sport. This is the first time I have gone through this process, and was curious how long it takes to hear from Far Sport.

[config]

If the bumps are on the surface away from the brake track and the bead, they could be cosmetic. From what I've read, it sounds like the wheels are all 3k carbon, and if you specify UD finish, they put a layer over the top to give it that finish.

It wasn't specified what finish your wheels are, but if it's not 3k, I'm guessing that it's in the finish layer only and could probably be sanded down without issue. Makes me wonder if I should have ordered 3k instead of UD...

EDIT: I just looked at the pics again. That appears to be on the 3k brake track, so not cosmetic...

That being said, they really should provide a replacement for it. Rydbyk is right, most of these chinese vendors rely heavily on forum feedback, so any negative responses should be dealt with quickly.

FarSports came back and said they will send me a new rim (I pay shipping and will have to pay for the re-build). This was last week and I haven't heard back since even after I told them to let me know where to send the shipping cost. Not looking good so far.

[bikerjones]

I received an email from Mae at Far Sports last night saying that they have my order and will email me once they ship it. So far so good.

[kleinetako]

Just got an email from Kyle at FarSports. My wheels will be shipping this week! There was a delay since I ordered the brand new 38x23mm clincher rim.

And for anyone interested in the "no spoke hole" build (Yoeleo calles it SAT, FarSport does it on request) I got some pictures detailing the build process from Kyle.

The "secret" is magnets:
- Hook a piece of steel spoke to a string, feed it in the spoke hole

- Use magnets to pull it out through valve hole

- Thread on nipple

-Pull into place

[erik$]

Anyone heard of carbon/alloy rims lower than 38mm? I would love some 24s!
Killing a new set of DAs or RS80s is not an option

[Kodiak21]

This may sound like a silly question to ask, but the website wheelsfar(dot)com is indeed (at least one of) the site(s) to order Farsports wheels, right? I'm somewhat confused, as I've seen multiple website links and am not sure what to follow.

[kleinetako]

Yes, wheelsfar is one of the Farsports sites. They have the same contact info as the main Farsports website.

I recommend just contacting them directly (info at farsports) and work with them. They will work with you to get exactly what you want and send you an invoice. They know the current stock and have some products that aren't on the website yet.

[Kodiak21]

Yes, wheelsfar is one of the Farsports sites. They have the same contact info as the main Farsports website.

I recommend just contacting them directly (info at farsports) and work with them. They will work with you to get exactly what you want and send you an invoice. They know the current stock and have some products that aren't on the website yet.

Alright, thank you so much! Now to save up for some 50mm CC's =P

[config]

If the bumps are on the surface away from the brake track and the bead, they could be cosmetic. From what I've read, it sounds like the wheels are all 3k carbon, and if you specify UD finish, they put a layer over the top to give it that finish.

It wasn't specified what finish your wheels are, but if it's not 3k, I'm guessing that it's in the finish layer only and could probably be sanded down without issue. Makes me wonder if I should have ordered 3k instead of UD...

EDIT: I just looked at the pics again. That appears to be on the 3k brake track, so not cosmetic...

That being said, they really should provide a replacement for it. Rydbyk is right, most of these chinese vendors rely heavily on forum feedback, so any negative responses should be dealt with quickly.

Mae at Farsports said they'll warranty the rim provided I pay for shipping. Well, it's been a 11 days since I paid for shipping and I'm still waiting for an indication they'll honor it. It's tough trying to remain patient but I'm keeping the faith.

[config]

I am surprised that if you can actually push the bubbles on the wheel in and they are "soft" that FarSports will not replace the wheel.

There is a big language barrier. Are you sure that they understand exactly what has happened to the wheel.

They know they have a LOT to lose if things go wrong on these forums for them. Let them know that you post here...loved the wheel...just want a replacement and that you will let everyone know how great they are....yadda yadda..

Note: I have the same wheels. I have noticed that there seems to be some raised bumps on my rear wheel. I am not sure if it is brake pad debris/build-up or if the carbon has gone wrong... I was thinking about sanding it down. Hmmm

.02

Surprisingly communication with them at Farsports was better than most other places I've dealt with. Do your rims have the same symptoms? I was tempted to try their carbon/alloy wheels to avoid this problem but I really wanted to see if they'll stand by their product.

[kleinetako]

My wheels are in the mail! Kyle sent some photos of them when they were complete. 1308g, Edhub, 38x23 rims.

The $20 for the no hole build (like Yoeleo SAT) looks pretty good. Can't wait to get these, even though it's cold and rainy here now. I guess I'll find out the wet-weather braking performance right away.

[kleinetako]

I was tempted to try their carbon/alloy wheels to avoid this problem but I really wanted to see if they'll stand by their product.

There's some good reviews of these in the velobuild forum. I was tempted due to all the rain here, but I really wanted the wider 23mm rims.

[tensile]

Omrep, thank you for the posts. Do you know anything about Yoeleo? Any information would be appreciated. Thanks.