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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    Personally, I would avoid anything with an alloy freehub, which includes just about any brand of hub not mentioned in this paragraph. At 200lbs., if you have any strength, your cassette will eventually gouge your freehub and cause shifting problems. If severe enough, you may even have great difficulty separating the two.
    Bitex is now installing stainless steel splines on the hubs from BHS to prevent that gouging, and they also have available solid steel freehubs, great for heavier riders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudSnow View Post
    Brake track? Hydra has no brake track!

    The Hydra | H PLUS SON

    The Hydra
    Weight: 455 grams
    Material: G609 Alloy
    Height: 23 mm
    Width: 25 mm
    Size: 700c
    Joint: Welded
    Tubeless Compatible
    For Disc Brakes
    ERD: 589
    I stand CORRECTED! It is the Archetypes that have a brake track.
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    ERD is advertised 589, but that results in spokes about 2mm short.
    I am using 592 for calculations to get the correct spoke length now.

    Weight is also closer to 480g. They must have increased the thickness of the spoke bed.

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    Hydra ERD

    Quote Originally Posted by MudSnow View Post
    ERD is advertised 589, but that results in spokes about 2mm short.
    I am using 592 for calculations to get the correct spoke length now.

    Weight is also closer to 480g. They must have increased the thickness of the spoke bed.
    I'm glad you posted this.

    I wound up with too short spokes on the last Hydras I built also. I made a note, but it's kind of slipped my mind and I probably wouldn't have remembered the next time I built a pair.

    I just checked my calculations, and using 591mm ERD results in the length spokes I wound up using. I also noticed the weight had changed a little.

    Did you buy from BHS? We should ask them to re-check the Hydra ERD, and update it if needed.

    They are nice rims. I'm a little disappointed they weigh a little more now, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudSnow View Post
    ERD is advertised 589, but that results in spokes about 2mm short.
    I am using 592 for calculations to get the correct spoke length now.
    Just another reminder to trust nobody and ALWAYS DO YOU OWN MEASUREMENTS!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by MudSnow View Post
    Weight is also closer to 480g. They must have increased the thickness of the spoke bed.
    Not a bad thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    Just another reminder to trust nobody and ALWAYS DO YOU OWN MEASUREMENTS!!!
    Why would anyone ever believe an important number that they didn't measure themselves? And I wouldn't care if the source was the factory engineer who made the extrusion die for the rim. If he wrote down the wrong number, he's not the one holding a fistfull of used spokes of the wrong length.

    Then after the number leaves his hands, there are many more places where the number can be changed again. Even a correctly measured number can change if the extrusion die gets a running modification.

    I do my best. If people don't read my ERD rant on my site or choose to ignore it then what the heck eh?
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    Instead of going on a rant about how the numbers can't be trusted, what I did was email to BHS, H Plus Son, and the spoke calculator site, informed them of my findings, and asked them to verify and update the website info. Because publishing incorrect ERD is worse than none.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MudSnow View Post
    Instead of going on a rant about how the numbers can't be trusted, what I did was email to BHS, H Plus Son, and the spoke calculator site, informed them of my findings, and asked them to verify and update the website info. Because publishing incorrect ERD is worse than none.
    Yeah I got a pair of rims a couple of years ago and the ERD was way off - 4~5mm. I e-mailed the company and they agreed they had made a mistake and that they would change their info. They did, partially, as they changed the numbers on their website rim spec sheet BUT they didn't change the .pdf that went out to their dealers. This .pdf was available to consumers from the retailer's sites.

    One well known rim retailer didn't have the updated info on their site and it was still incorrect months later when I stopped checking.

    So, I give my findings to companies, if needed and I go on a rant occasionally. I gots the bases covered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T. View Post
    Why would anyone ever believe an important number that they didn't measure themselves?
    I don't know. Why WOULD anyone ever believe a number they didn't measure???

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T. View Post
    So, I give my findings to companies, if needed and I go on a rant occasionally. I gots the bases covered.
    And that's about all you can do. Nobody who reads what you have written can say they weren't warned.
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    That's a nice plan if what you do is order the rims, wait a week, measure, then order the spokes.
    I order the spokes and rims on the same day.
    I build mostly HED, Pacenti, and Stan's and they have been 100% accurate so far.
    The weirdest thing I have seen is Spank's ERD++, which basically means add 2mm to spoke length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudSnow View Post
    That's a nice plan if what you do is order the rims, wait a week, measure, then order the spokes.
    That's how I do it. To do otherwise is to trust others. You get to measure the hubs too - and the way that the calculator you use suggests measuring them.

    I order the spokes and rims on the same day.............they have been 100% accurate so far.
    And so far you have gotten away with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MudSnow View Post
    That's a nice plan if what you do is order the rims, wait a week, measure, then order the spokes.
    I order the spokes and rims on the same day.
    Well, OK. I can understand if you're in the business of building custom wheels in a world where everybody wants their stuff yesterday. However, even if you order all the pieces together, I'm thinking it would still be prudent to do all your own measurements before building, so you don't have to re-build the wheel. If your spoke lengths are wrong and you find out before you build, then you have nothing worse than some extra spokes in your inventory.

    Don't you think measuring takes less time than building a wheel over again?
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    I recently got a set from BikeHubStore.com Mine measured 592. I was pleased with the weight coming in at 470.

    I was hoping to be able to remove the writing on the rim. I used spray carb cleaner on the Archetypes and it would wipe rite off. I'm Not having any luck on these???

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    Acetone (finger nail polish remover) should take it off. Test on the inside of the rim first to make sure it doesn't damage the black.

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    Acetone won’t harm anodizing, although carb cleaner might (and oven cleaner WILL). I unintentionally found that mineral oil will lift the decals on a HED rim. Probably works on H+ too. You have to let it sit.

    Hydras are nice rims. Built a set yesterday. For road-ish disc I think it’s very hard to do better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by November Dave View Post
    Acetone won’t harm anodizing, although carb cleaner might (and oven cleaner WILL). I unintentionally found that mineral oil will lift the decals on a HED rim. Probably works on H+ too. You have to let it sit.

    Hydras are nice rims. Built a set yesterday. For road-ish disc I think it’s very hard to do better.
    I've got a gallon of Shimano Brake fluid (Mineral Oil). I'll have to give it a shot. Did it take off the decals on a Hed C2/Belgium rim?

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    What is the objection to these decals? It's not like either H+ Son or HED uses anything terribly obnoxious. I've seen much worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    What is the objection to these decals? It's not like either H+ Son or HED uses anything terribly obnoxious. I've seen much worse.
    Yea...just about everyone else is worse...
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    A lot of people like no decals at all. I find HED’s graphics to be particularly nice (as I said, unintentionally figured out the mineral oil trick) and my personal set of Hydra-based wheels has the logos on them. I like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by November Dave View Post
    A lot of people like no decals at all. I find HED’s graphics to be particularly nice (as I said, unintentionally figured out the mineral oil trick) and my personal set of Hydra-based wheels has the logos on them. I like them.
    I agree on both. I think the Belgium flag is a nice touch. And I like H+ Son's graphics in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    I think the Belgium flag is a nice touch.
    I think it's pretty cheesy thing for a Minnesota company to put on rims they had made in Taiwan.

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    I’ll give them a pass on that since InBev has (or had) a beer named America. It cancels out. HED alloy rims are actually made in China. Distinctions blur...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Strongbow View Post
    I think it's pretty cheesy thing for a Minnesota company to put on rims they had made in Taiwan.
    But if you name your product the Belgium, a Belgium flag is appropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    But if you name your product the Belgium, a Belgium flag is appropriate.
    That's what I was thinking... I like them--and the H+ Son graphics as well.
    There I was...

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    Ordered h plus son hydra 32h to put on 240 hubs. I cant return them or I would. found boyd altamont rims are fully designed and made in the USA and actually about same weight and strength about same inner width but have a nicer design, for about some price. Check them out on boyd site
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