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    H Plus Son Hydra

    Anybody got thier hands on them yet?

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    Waiting for feedback on these as well. They appear to be the Archetype without brake tracks and with a tubeless well. Weight checks ok in my mind.
    With bicycles in particular, you need to separate between what's merely true and what's important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcgriz View Post
    Waiting for feedback on these as well. They appear to be the Archetype without brake tracks and with a tubeless well. Weight checks ok in my mind.
    I'm just glad they came out with a new rim for this instead of fcking up the Archetype for those of us who use tubes and think the archetype is perfect as is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Strongbow View Post
    I'm just glad they came out with a new rim for this instead of fcking up the Archetype for those of us who use tubes and think the archetype is perfect as is.
    Totally agree.
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    Looking at dimensions, the Hydra is a bit wider and shallower than the Archetype. It also doesn't have that unique sharp point at the center that the Archetype does, but more of a round.

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    I'm really interested in this rim, but saw some chatter on Instagram of tubeless blow-offs. That was a while ago, not sure if later batches fixed it or not.

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    I'm just diggin the 25 wide part. It wouldn't bother me if they came in around 460+

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    I'm just diggin the 25 wide part. It wouldn't bother me if they came in around 460+
    They are 24.5mm wide and 460 ish. I have a pair built and in service. I ordered a couple more pair this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleritter View Post
    They are 24.5mm wide and 460 ish. I have a pair built and in service. I ordered a couple more pair this morning.
    Where di you get yours?

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    Mine came from Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgaddis1 View Post
    I'm really interested in this rim, but saw some chatter on Instagram of tubeless blow-offs. That was a while ago, not sure if later batches fixed it or not.
    Can you share more about this? Or where to find?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch562 View Post
    Cat's out of the bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleritter View Post
    They are 24.5mm wide and 460 ish. I have a pair built and in service. I ordered a couple more pair this morning.

    So did you build them up or have somebody build them up for you. Did you build them as a road tire or gravel or off road tire? How where they built?

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    H Plus Son  Hydra-img_20170519_104902652.jpgHi Zman,

    I think we have spoken in another forum.

    Mill City Cycle built these for me, and I am Mill City Cycle. Mine are built with DT Swiss 350 Straight Pull Centerlock hubs and Wheelsmith Straight Pull DB15 spokes. I have 32mm Panaracer Gravel King SK's installed tubeless.

    Wheels are working out great. I've done a few events on them, and a fair amount of training and riding miles. A small branch that rode up into my spokes knocked the rear wheel out of true once, but it straightened right out again.

    My build is 24/28h and I am 200 lbs. You should have me build you a pair.
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    I just built my first pair of Hydras. These are some really nice rims! They are round and true, the weld line is invisible, and the decals are permanently attached, like paint. Comparable to Belgium+ at half the price.

    Bitex hubs and Sapim spokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudSnow View Post
    I just built my first pair. These are some really nice rims! They are round and true, the weld line is invisible, and the decals are permanently attached, like paint. Comparable to Belgium+ at half the price.
    H+ Son rims are quite nice looking (when new) and seem to have a good reputation for being robust. Their two downsides if you use rim brakes are:

    1) Narrow brake track.

    2) Finished brake track will look ugly for around 500-1000 miles until brakes wear through to bare aluminum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    H+ Son rims are quite nice looking (when new) and seem to have a good reputation for being robust. Their two downsides if you use rim brakes are:

    1) Narrow brake track.

    2) Finished brake track will look ugly for around 500-1000 miles until brakes wear through to bare aluminum.
    I haven't been on this site very long Lombard but from what I have seen you are very knowledgeable. If you were to recommend a mid price wheel set built up for a gravel bike and a 200 lb. rider what rim/hubs/and spoke would you recommend. I guess 24/28

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zurichman View Post
    I haven't been on this site very long Lombard but from what I have seen you are very knowledgeable. If you were to recommend a mid price wheel set built up for a gravel bike and a 200 lb. rider what rim/hubs/and spoke would you recommend. I guess 24/28

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    There's "gravel" and then there's "gravel". There's hard pack MMR or flint roads all the way to conditions like 2" deep pea gravel hell.


    200# and offroad. Disc brake? If so I'd get Shimano M8000 XT hubs, say Hydra (or your favorite rims in your budget), 32/32 spoking 3X of your favorite spokes. $300USD in parts for wheels you'd need to hit with a hammer or car to harm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    There's "gravel" and then there's "gravel". There's hard pack MMR or flint roads all the way to conditions like 2" deep pea gravel hell.


    200# and offroad. Disc brake? If so I'd get Shimano M8000 XT hubs, say Hydra (or your favorite rims in your budget), 32/32 spoking 3X of your favorite spokes. $300USD in parts for wheels you'd need to hit with a hammer or car to harm.

    Thanks Marc I guess if you are building bulletproof wheels weight isn't an issue. I guess they would still be lighter than my stock wheels though that came with my 2016 Raleigh Tamland 1. I see lots of discussion though on wheel build up weight. Any guesses or estimates on how much these would weigh?

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    I would agree with Marc except that the Shimano M8000 XT hubs, while great hubs, will only work if your bike is either a QR or 15mm thru-axle. If you have 12mm thru-axles as some gravel bikes do, you will have to choose something else. The White Industries CLD (for centerlock) or XMR (for 6-bolt) are the next best I would go with. Personally, I would avoid anything with an alloy freehub, which includes just about any brand of hub not mentioned in this paragraph. At 200lbs., if you have any strength, your cassette will eventually gouge your freehub and cause shifting problems. If severe enough, you may even have great difficulty separating the two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    I would agree with Marc except that the Shimano M8000 XT hubs, while great hubs, will only work if your bike is either a QR or 15mm thru-axle. If you have 12mm thru-axles as some gravel bikes do, you will have to choose something else. The White Industries CLD (for centerlock) or XMR (for 6-bolt) are the next best I would go with. Personally, I would avoid anything with an alloy freehub, which includes just about any brand of hub not mentioned in this paragraph. At 200lbs., if you have any strength, your cassette will eventually gouge your freehub and cause shifting problems. If severe enough, you may even have great difficulty separating the two.
    Well right now my 2016 Raleigh Tamland 1 does have the quick release wheels. They also have the 6 bolt Spyre mechanical disk brake system on them. I guess if I am getting a set of wheels built up I may as go with the centerlock set up as that seems to be what everyone is going to that. How much better is the White Industries CLD hub over the Shimano and would they work on my bike then since I have Quick Release? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zurichman View Post
    Well right now my 2016 Raleigh Tamland 1 does have the quick release wheels. They also have the 6 bolt Spyre mechanical disk brake system on them. I guess if I am getting a set of wheels built up I may as go with the centerlock set up as that seems to be what everyone is going to that. How much better is the White Industries CLD hub over the Shimano and would they work on my bike then since I have Quick Release? Thanks

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    I would not say the WI is better than Shimano. They are probably equally good. WI are definitely more expensive. I was just mentioning WI as a good alternative if you couldn't use Shimano due to 12mm thru-axles. WI works with all three - QR, 12mm TA and 15mm TA.
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    Shimano XT does have a QR version.
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    Brake track? Hydra has no brake track!

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    The Hydra
    Weight: 455 grams
    Material: G609 Alloy
    Height: 23 mm
    Width: 25 mm
    Size: 700c
    Joint: Welded
    Tubeless Compatible
    For Disc Brakes
    ERD: 589

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