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    just placed an order for a custom wheelset

    hi guys
    I just placed an order for my first custom wheelset . Its scheduled to ship end of this month. I have some questions and seeking the advice of the wheel experts here in case I need to make some changes.

    Im 150lbs do mostly clubrides , some racing and climbing

    setup
    Pacenti sl23 front radial (20)
    WI t11
    CX ray

    Pacenti SL23 rear 2x2x (24)
    WI t11
    cx ray

    - should I change the DS to a stronger/thicker spokes ?

    - Do wheelbuilders (as a procedure) install tires and retension before shipping the wheelset? (i read about spokes becoming loose/slack)

    - Im planning on using gp attack/force tires. Should I be concerned about the front tire being 22mm installed on 24mm rim?


    thanks ..

    PS.. I ordered from PWB

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    Hi.

    The CX-Ray spokes are stronger than most thicker spokes. Definitely no need to change those.

    Wheelbuilders generally do not mount, inflate and check tension before shipping. The wheel should be built to the correct tension as is, and any reduction in tension due to the tire will be accounted for.

    The 22mm front tire will be fine on the 24mm wide rim. Note, the inside width of the SL23 is 18m.

    The wheelbuilder should be able to answer all of these questions for you over the phone or through email.

    Regards.

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    thanks Pete...

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    That sounds like a great build to me. The T11/SL23 is one of our most popular options at this point and it seems to hold up well even for larger riders. I always like to go 24/28 but a 20/24 will be just fine for your weight.

    Be sure to post a ride report once you hop on them!

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    thanks zen
    I will be comparing these new wheels with Williams system 19 and RS80...

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    It wouldn't hurt to have thicker spokes on the drive side. I'm not a wheelbuilder and honestly don't know what I'm talking about but I also weigh 150 and that's what 2 very respected wheelbuilders recommended for me when going 24 rear and the wheels have been really solid.

    I'd probably err on the side of caution and go 28 spokes rear considering the hub you are using. 20 front should be fine.

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    Would the exact same set of wheels with the exception of 24 spokes front/28 rear be acceptable for a 180lb guy?

    OP, what type of nipples did you get brass or alloy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Strongbow View Post

    I'd probably err on the side of caution and go 28 spokes rear considering the hub you are using. 20 front should be fine.
    that was my fear,, The hubs!... I took zens advice from my older post and had the rear laced 2x 2x instead of 2x radial..

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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOky View Post
    Would the exact same set of wheels with the exception of 24 spokes front/28 rear be acceptable for a 180lb guy?

    OP, what type of nipples did you get brass or alloy?
    alloy...

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    and so I received the wheels today....
    these wheels are wide!... and mounting the gp attack/force was a #*!#!*$%! challenge.. I used the regular park tools levers...

    some pics

    spoke tension are
    front : 125Kgf
    rear 140Kgf

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    What rim tape are you using? I started off with Velox. It made the tire pretty much impossible to mount. With Stan's tape, it's doable without tools if you get the tire bead properly centered in the rim.

    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by echo7 View Post
    Im 150lbs.......CX ray............... - should I change the DS to a stronger/thicker spokes ?
    No. I can't imagine why you would want to.

    Do wheelbuilders (as a procedure) install tires and retension before shipping the wheelset? (i read about spokes becoming loose/slack)
    No they don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobonker View Post
    What rim tape are you using? I started off with Velox. It made the tire pretty much impossible to mount. With Stan's tape, it's doable without tools if you get the tire bead properly centered in the rim.

    Bob
    Stans tape.. preinstalled by PWB...
    However I noticed they put 3-4 rounds of tape.. is that normal ?
    Usually its only 1 round

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    Quote Originally Posted by echo7 View Post
    and so I received the wheels today....
    these wheels are wide!... and mounting the gp attack/force was a #*!#!*$%! challenge.. I used the regular park tools levers...

    some pics

    spoke tension are
    front : 125Kgf
    rear 140Kgf
    Check out this thread, I learned a few things (Stan's tape is a must, a warmed up tire is helpful).
    An epic battle: Pacenti SL23 vs. cyclist armed with tire jack and New Mich Pro4

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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemShock View Post
    Broken pic.
    I know.. I've been trying to post pic.. but its giving an error..
    will try again..

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    Great build. Of course, I'm biased since Zen (Roland) will be sending me nearly the exact build in a week or so. Mine will be 20-28 to support my 185# weight.

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    My impressions with the Pacenti sl23, T11 and cxray spokes. Please note that Im an avid cyclist and by no means an expert. My reviews are based on my observations and experience.

    Did a 65 km yesterday and 122 km today

    they are stiffer than my rs80s but rolls as smooth. There is definitely more confidence in corners and stable in climbing.

    They are as stiff as my Williams system 19 (2011 model with pillar spokes) but they are more aero.. I feel the Williams drags on crosswinds..

    Overall Im happy with my PWB build, however I do miss the sound of carbon on the Rs80s..

    Question: I feel there is some drag (or grind) on the front hub under load. I doesn’t affect performance but I do feel it. Its not present when I spin the wheel. Does the T11 hubs need a break in?

    Secondly the rear wheel vibrates upon braking.. I thought the pads was rubbing on the tires but its not.. I also noticed that these rims eat up a lot of my koolstop pads..

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