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    New wheels selection

    If you wanted a high profile wheel w the following characteristics:

    - campy compatible
    - aluminum brake track
    - clincher

    Which of the following would you choose & why

    - campy Bullett ultra 50's
    - HED jet 4's
    - HED jet 6's
    - HED jet 4 front/ Jet 6 rear
    - Mavic Cosmic Carbone SLR
    - Other

    Thanks

    Len

    Not interested in tubies, been there done that, not worth the hassle to me YMMV
    Not interested in all carbon.
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    We need more information about you in order to determine which wheels are ideal. How much do you weigh? What do you expect to gain by upgrading wheels? What type of terrain are you usually riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen Cyclery View Post
    We need more information about you in order to determine which wheels are ideal. How much do you weigh? What do you expect to gain by upgrading wheels? What type of terrain are you usually riding?
    160 lbs
    Looking for gains at speed in fast group rides
    Flat to rolling terrain in the Midwest......lots of wind.

    I have light climbing wheels.

    Len



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen Cyclery View Post
    We need more information about you in order to determine which wheels are ideal. How much do you weigh? What do you expect to gain by upgrading wheels? What type of terrain are you usually riding?
    I suggested this 2x to RBR as a stickie and even typed it all out but never got a response. Love those guys eh? So we're reduced to asking; over & over again.
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    Get the bullets. Aero with campy hubs, win, win. I ride Cosmic Carbones in windy NE Texas, the sidewinds are rough but manageable. I get the most use out of my Zondas, probably the most durable campy wheel after the Neutron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Len J View Post
    Looking for gains at speed in fast group rides
    The cold hard truth is "train harder". There are no wheels that will transform you.
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    New wheels selection

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T. View Post
    The cold hard truth is "train harder". There are no wheels that will transform you.
    Mike

    Maybe you should make that a sticky.
    Your opinion is noted, over and over again.

    I know what benefit i'll get from higher profile wheels.......I've ridden them. I'm neither over expecting nor under- expecting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbill View Post
    Get the bullets. Aero with campy hubs, win, win. I ride Cosmic Carbones in windy NE Texas, the sidewinds are rough but manageable. I get the most use out of my Zondas, probably the most durable campy wheel after the Neutron.
    Thanks Bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len J View Post
    Your opinion is noted, over and over again.
    You show me where I said it before.
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    New wheels selection

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T. View Post
    You show me where I said it before.
    You've posted over and over how little benefit you've gotten from high profile wheels. Same comment different form.

    If you have something to add to the OP...you know, an opinion about the relative merits of the wheels I've asked about, I'll be more than happy to listen and respond. Otherwise, not so much.

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    No one is as bad as the worst thing they have done & no one is as good as the best thing they have done.........think of that when you feel like you understand someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len J View Post
    160 lbs
    Looking for gains at speed in fast group rides
    Flat to rolling terrain in the Midwest......lots of wind.

    I have light climbing wheels.

    Len

    You could always lace Kinlin XC279s to T11s. That rim is relatively aero for its shape and the 23mm footprint helps to enhance that. The T11 hubs are super durable, and really easy to service.
    This build would be more reasonably priced than other options and wouldn't leave you stuck with proprietary parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen Cyclery View Post
    You could always lace Kinlin XC279s to T11s. That rim is relatively aero for its shape and the 23mm footprint helps to enhance that. The T11 hubs are super durable, and really easy to service.
    This build would be more reasonably priced than other options and wouldn't leave you stuck with proprietary parts.
    Isn't that a 28mm depth rim?
    Not sure there is much benefit there.

    I've looked to find a medium depth rim w an aluminum brake track built up but the best I could do was a 42mm h-plus rim all aluminum,.....w a weight penalty. That's why I went back to looking at pre-built.

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    No one is as bad as the worst thing they have done & no one is as good as the best thing they have done.........think of that when you feel like you understand someone.

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    I been browsing the web in search for the best bang for the buck aero alu/carbon clincher (since i don't want full carbon anymore ..) Here a list of wheels i been checking on the web and LBS ...

    1. Campagnolo bullet ULTRA 50 mm 1590g
    Campagnolo bullet 50 mm 1755g

    2. HED Jet5 Express 54mm 1681g

    3. ZIPP 60 clincher 60mm 1820g

    4.Mavic Cosmic SL 52 mm 1740g

    5.Easton EC70 SL 42mm 1660g

    6.Vision Trimax T42 42mm 1720g

    7.Shimano Dura-ace C50 50mm? ????g


    I neved tried any of them and i'm not a pro .. but from the infos and opinions i got from LBS, The Campagnolo bullet ULTRA were the best ones for the price/weight/durability and with aero testing.

    I also been talking with a bunch of peoples who actually used mavic, zipp and now, campagnolo and they said the bullet were the toughest ones with only a bit of maintenance needed.

    Zipp were fine too but the hubs needed a bit more maintenance love than the bullet and they cost more $$.

    The mavic, one guy got 2 failure near the spoke insert , LBS also said he saw 2-3 wheels with failiure near the rim...

    Shimano, most of the users were happy with them ....

    For the rest, nobody were using them or they had full carbon wheels.


    So, i hope it help you ! For me and my gf (she do triathlon), we'll go with the bullet ultra 50 mm.

    Jack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Len J View Post
    You've posted over and over how little benefit you've gotten from high profile wheels. Same comment different form.
    My memory is much worse than the quality of my message. An "opinion about the relative merits of the wheels" is kinda moot as we really know that the difference between wheels, performance-wise, is so minor that it's immaterial. Which takes me back to my comment earlier of "There are no wheels that will transform you". Training will.
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    The 279 is only 28mm deep, but it has a stout profile and it really feels solid in the wind. Yeah it isn't going to have as low of drag coefficients as deeper options, but it does have a consistent, smooth ride quality and for undulating windy terrain, it's hard to beat.

    Keep in mind depth isn't the only factor. I'd say that overall profile is far more important that depth alone.

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    novel idea, answer the OP's questions instead of telling him he's wrong?
    I know we just met and this is crazy....

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    @Len J

    if you are looking for pure aero benefits, absent of any other considerations, then my answer to your question would be:Other.

    ---- other being a rim depth around 80-90mm, the likes of HED Jet 9, that has proven to show the best aero performance at least in a wind tunnell environment.
    See this www.tour-quarterly.com the Cosmic did not fare that well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylint View Post
    novel idea, answer the OP's questions instead of telling him he's wrong?
    But what if you are wrong?
    Cyclists really need to learn a little Rule #5.

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    I like the Campy Bullets. Of course I am a campy fan boy.
    Cyclists really need to learn a little Rule #5.

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    You didn't list them, but I would think the Hed Jet 5 is a decent compromise front and rear.
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    Get velocity deep v's in pink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOky View Post
    You didn't list them, but I would think the Hed Jet 5 is a decent compromise front and rear.
    The 4's and 6's have better hubs as near as I can tell.

    Len



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    Quote Originally Posted by PlasticMotif View Post
    Get velocity deep v's in pink.
    Lol

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    "Evil....is the complete lack of Empathy!"

    ""We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit. " Aristotle

    No one is as bad as the worst thing they have done & no one is as good as the best thing they have done.........think of that when you feel like you understand someone.

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    What about Fulcrum wheels?
    This one looks appropriate:
    FULCRUM Wheels - Products: Red Wind XLR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Len J View Post
    The 4's and 6's have better hubs as near as I can tell.

    Len
    I just bought the 5 Express off Backcountry on closeout, and they came with the upgraded hubs. Only saved like 30g. They were popping up on Chainlove.com, you might set an alert on there. Like them so far.
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