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    Nipple Size for Archetype Rim

    Building up a HSon Archetype - Height: 25 mm -Width: 23 mm - any reason not to use 12mm nips with DT Comp spokes?

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    14mm gives a little extra space so wrench doesn't scratch up rim.

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    I used the 14mm. I'd said 12mm earlier.

    Here is what sticks out. You wouldn't scratch the rim with a wrench with a 12mm nipple.

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    If you are using DT Swiss nipples, the problem with 14 or 16mm nipples is that the thread is also longer. If you are using spokes with a standard length thread, it will bottom out sooner before the tip of the spoke reaches the top of the nipple. On a 14mm nipple, this will give you no room for spoke length error. On a 16mm nipple, you will never get the tip of the spoke into the nipple head. A spoke tip that never reaches or just barely reaches the head will be weaker and prone to breakage. See the photo below courtesy of Roger Musson.

    I would seriously stick with 12mm nipples. I have never had a problem scratching a rim with 12mm nipples. Get a good quality 4-sided spoke wrench like this one. Not cheap, but well worth it:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ergott View Post
    14mm gives a little extra space so wrench doesn't scratch up rim.
    Yep, Definately 14m Sapim is the way to go. For this reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch562 View Post
    Yep, Definately 14m Sapim is the way to go. For this reason.
    Are Sapim threads the same length for all lengths of nipples? Can they be used with DT spokes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    Are Sapim threads the same length for all lengths of nipples? Can they be used with DT spokes?
    If you dont know the answer, you prolly should limit your responses
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    Sapim 14mm has the same thread engagement as 12mm which is relatively the same for both Sapim and DT. Totally compatible.

    What I don't like about DT is they only forge about 8 or 9mm of thread on spokes. Easier to bottom out than Sapim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch562 View Post
    If you dont the answer, you prolly should limit your responses
    Heavy handed. I PROLLY shouldn't respond, but here it is. I use DT spokes and nipples for my wheel builds as that is what my bike shop has access to and I like to support them. My responses here are based on my own experience building wheels and what I have learned on the subject.

    And I can honestly say I have never scratched a rim using 12mm nipples and a good spoke wrench.

    Mmmmkay?
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