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    Spoke tying and soldering using black wire?

    Hi All,

    I saw couple of wheels where soldering was done using black wire (it was not carbon wire). Anybody knows how to achieve that? Is it some kind of special wire or painting after?

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    I think you're looking for bracelet wire with a black coat or rubber. Michaels crafts or hobby lobby.
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    That's nice but you're still going to be using silver solder...
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    Use copper wire (I have an old vehicle wiring harness that I used to strip strands out of), wrap 'em and solder 'em (it's all on my wheelbuilding site) and paint black with model paint. I've no idea how you would solder black wire. I used to track train with a few guys who had multi color paints on their tie and solder jobs. They looked great when the bikes were not moving.

    The black wrap you show doesn't look to be soldered to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T. View Post
    Use copper wire (I have an old vehicle wiring harness that I used to strip strands out of), wrap 'em and solder 'em (it's all on my wheelbuilding site) and paint black with model paint. I've no idea how you would solder black wire. I used to track train with a few guys who had multi color paints on their tie and solder jobs. They looked great when the bikes were not moving.

    The black wrap you show doesn't look to be soldered to me.
    Would copper wire against the spokes have a galvanic corrosive effect?

    If so, would it be enough to matter, and would painting the copper wire prevent that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxl View Post
    Would copper wire against the spokes have a galvanic corrosive effect?
    I've had a few sets (3-4?) over the years (one set still on my track bike) and that has never been an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T. View Post
    I've had a few sets (3-4?) over the years (one set still on my track bike) and that has never been an issue.
    Good enough for me, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxl View Post
    Would copper wire against the spokes have a galvanic corrosive effect?

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    If you are using stainless steel spokes, no, not really....
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxl View Post
    Good enough for me, thanks.
    Whoahhhhh...an elusive moderator. What exactly do you moderate xxl?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    Whoahhhhh...an elusive moderator. What exactly do you moderate xxl?
    PO. Y'all can come play with us anytime, but--pro tip--wear a cup.

    My mod powers don't extend beyond the PO realm, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxl View Post
    PO. Y'all can come play with us anytime, but--pro tip--wear a cup.
    My mod powers don't extend beyond the PO realm, though.
    PO? Oh you're one of those who don't actually ride a bike then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T. View Post
    PO? Oh you're one of those who don't actually ride a bike then?
    No, I'm one of those people who actually do ride a bike, and follow politics.

    YMMV.
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    YMMV.
    It does!

    Quote Originally Posted by xxl View Post
    No, I'm one of those people who actually do ride a bike, and follow politics.
    I do so much of the former I don't have time (or stomach) for the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T. View Post
    PO? Oh you're one of those who don't actually ride a bike then?

    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mike T. again.
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    Thanks Mike, very helpful
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    what's the point of tying spokes together?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfrancois View Post
    what's the point of tying spokes together?
    Well, you can do the "snowflake pattern"....
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfrancois View Post
    what's the point of tying spokes together?
    There was a point...back when spokes sucked, and rims really sucked....Nowadays, there isn't one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfrancois View Post
    what's the point of tying spokes together?
    Back in the old days rims were narrow and shallow. They weren't stiff. You laced your Mavic SSC's to your Campy Record or Shimano D/A or Mavic hubs w/ stupid light spokes so your 'race' wheels were as light as possible. Since most of the hubs were low flange (there were some notable exceptions) and the rims were so shallow the spokes were crazy long. Long/light spokes, shallow/light rims...flex. The idea was to tie the spokes together at the overlapping cross and this would make the wheel stiffer by in effect making the hub flange as big as the diameter of the cross.

    I guess it helped a little, but it was probably more 'feelz' than physics, like 120psi 20mm tires being the fast way to go. I've tied/soldered hundreds of wheels...but haven't done it for over 10 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    I've tied/soldered hundreds of wheels...
    how do you then true the wheel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfrancois View Post
    how do you then true the wheel?
    Same as usual, you turn the nipples.
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