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    Wide, Light, Box-section Rims?

    See subject. Am looking for rims to have a wheelset built that are

    Wide. In the 23mm ballpark, give or take a bit.
    Reasonably light. Like 470 grams or less, say.
    True box-section/old-school profile. No taller than 16mm or so.

    Doesn't seem to be a lot out there that fits the description. Only rim I've come across that does is the Pacenti PL23 (not be confused with the popular SL23, which is deeper than the PL).

    I know someone will mention the H+Son TB14, but it's kinda heavy (~500 grams). The Velocity Synergy comes close to fitting the description, but it's both a bit heavy and a bit too tall (18mm). A23 is light, but too tall too (20mm).

    DT doesn't seem to have anything that hits the spot either. So you see that this is a bit of a stumper.
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    Did you see something like this before, so you're looking for the same aesthetic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinewmexico View Post
    Did you see something like this before, so you're looking for the same aesthetic?
    It's called going 'modern classic' or neo-retro. It's far from unheard-of.

    Check out the Retro-Classic forum here on RBR sometime, lots of good stuff.

    Neo/Modern Retro let's see yours!
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    Wide, Light, Box-section Rims?

    The Sun CR18 meet most of your criteria. Maybe not as boxy as you may want them to be but close enough. Not the best quality out there either but you don't have many choices to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcgriz View Post
    The Sun CR18 meet most of your criteria. Maybe not as boxy as you may want them to be but close enough. Not the best quality out there either but you don't have many choices to begin with.
    Isn't Sun sort of infamous for fibbing about their rim weights, though?

    It's what I've heard, anyway. I mean, many manufacturers are slightly optimistic when stating rim weights, but Sun is allegedly *wildly* optimistic, shall we say.
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    I heard reports of the CR18 recently coming in at 550g.

    Something wrong with the PL23s? Seems like it's exactly what you want.

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    Very happy with the PL23s I've built up. They are straight and true. The weight is about as advertised.

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    How old school are you going?

    Depending on how old school you want to go, I have a pair of old concave rims that I could sell to you. They are Alesa, made in Belgium. They are Al-alloy colored, do have clincher lips inside, don't have eyelets, and the brake track is less than 15 mm tall--that is the highest part of the rim, as they are concave.

    Alternatively, Velo-Orange has some old-school new production rims.

    Or, you can sometimes find NOS rims on ebay, like Mavic Model E, or an Ambrosio rim. Mavic may still make them or a modern descedent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rruff View Post
    I heard reports of the CR18 recently coming in at 550g.

    Something wrong with the PL23s? Seems like it's exactly what you want.
    Nothing wrong with the PL23s, 'cept apparently it's not a good idea to build them with real high tension... Pacenti says 90-100 kgf is the 'sweet spot' with these. That may not matter much, as I'm intentionally going with a lot of spokes and 10-spd rather than 11-spd.

    It's just that it's always nice to have options.

    I wonder if triplet lacing in back with my 36h DA 7900 hub makes sense?
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    I built up a set of Sun CR18s about 3 months ago. They were the black version and came in at 550g though the seller had advertised them as such, so no surprise. Oh yeah, it was $27 shipped for the pair (!) from a seller on eBay. Not sure if "inexpensive" is on your list.

    Assuming the ads are accurate, the silver ones with the "advanced brake track" are lighter (~460g). Not sure if that's true though.


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    I didn't adhere to that tension limit. I used 120-125 with no ill effect.

    Don't do triplet with that rim.

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    Deia vu. You already had a thread about this. The HPS TB14 is your rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rruff View Post
    Deia vu. You already had a thread about this. The HPS TB14 is your rim.
    It's close between the Pacenti and the H+Son for me. I think that's the problem.

    I just wish the H+Son wasn't a 500g rim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ergott View Post
    I didn't adhere to that tension limit. I used 120-125 with no ill effect.

    Don't do triplet with that rim.
    Check, and check. Thanks ergott.

    (I assume triplet requires a heavier/stiffer rim than the Pacenti.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobonker View Post
    I built up a set of Sun CR18s about 3 months ago. They were the black version and came in at 550g though the seller had advertised them as such, so no surprise. Oh yeah, it was $27 shipped for the pair (!) from a seller on eBay. Not sure if "inexpensive" is on your list.

    Assuming the ads are accurate, the silver ones with the "advanced brake track" are lighter (~460g). Not sure if that's true though.
    Yeah, went over to WeightWeenies just now... they had a 'claimed weight of 460g' CR-18 rim actually weigh in at 515g.

    Weight Weenies - Rims

    So it seems like your experience of CR-18s being lots heavier than advertised (*by Sun, not your eBay seller) is not an isolated one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rruff
    Deia vu. You already had a thread about this. The HPS TB14 is your rim.
    Quote Originally Posted by SystemShock View Post
    It's close between the Pacenti and the H+Son for me. I think that's the problem.

    I just wish the H+Son wasn't a 500g rim.
    *snaps fingers* Just got it. Pacenti PL23 in front, H+Son TB14 in back.

    Maybe. Already bought the 36-hole DA rear hub. Kinda wish I'd gotten a 32h now.
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