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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Heh...30mm tires? On "Gravel"? At best maybe dry and hardpack MMR with some limestone or flint sprinkled on it.....and even that is presuming it doesn't get bedded in a valley in your tire, one chunk of gravel and those wheels are locking up and/or doing damage to your $3,500 frameset.
    I think the fact that it fits 28mm tires makes people draw the conclusion that we somehow decided this was going to be an endurance or mixed surface bike. We created the EXPLORO last year to bring an offering for those folks looking for tire clearance. The EXPLORO has road geo, the shortest chainstays you can put on a 2x frame with 142mm OLD and fits 55mm tires.

    The STRADA is not a replacement for the EXPLORO. Wider tires are faster, the STRADA is simply made to be faster for a given input. 1x is not for everyone yet no one draws a line in their experience with 2x systems and recalls the revelation in moving from 2x9 to 2x10. Most road 2x systems have a ~350% range. If you are looking for range 1x has a far greater spread than what you can find in a 2x configuration.

    I've spent a bunch of time on a 44t with a 10x42t and I'm currently riding the Strada with a 52t and 11-36t. I've become a fan of the 1x approach.

    -SD

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    For me, my bike could be as aero as possible but when the engine is the antithesis of aero....it ain't going to matter.

    From mtb world all I knew was 1x. I thought 1x would be just fine on road/gravel. I can tolerate some space between gearing but I think that has more to do with me being new to the road. While I really do not like having a front D I've gotten very cozy with the Ultegra on my Domane.

    The more road miles I ride the more anal I become about my cadence and gearing. I would feel stripped if it were taken away and all I had were 1x.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Strongbow View Post
    They just took every trend and tried to cram it all on one bike without regard to how much sense individual trends make when combined with each other.

    It's like a food company doing marketing research and seeing that pizza and ice cream are trending up so figuring Ice Cream Pizza makes sense.
    Yep, this pretty much. So much rubbish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superdave3T View Post
    I think the fact that it fits 28mm tires makes people draw the conclusion that we somehow decided this was going to be an endurance or mixed surface bike. We created the EXPLORO last year to bring an offering for those folks looking for tire clearance. The EXPLORO has road geo, the shortest chainstays you can put on a 2x frame with 142mm OLD and fits 55mm tires.

    The STRADA is not a replacement for the EXPLORO. Wider tires are faster, the STRADA is simply made to be faster for a given input. 1x is not for everyone yet no one draws a line in their experience with 2x systems and recalls the revelation in moving from 2x9 to 2x10. Most road 2x systems have a ~350% range. If you are looking for range 1x has a far greater spread than what you can find in a 2x configuration.

    I've spent a bunch of time on a 44t with a 10x42t and I'm currently riding the Strada with a 52t and 11-36t. I've become a fan of the 1x approach.

    -SD
    Hey, Superdave:
    Will Challenge Paris-Roubaix open tubulars fit on the Strada (Spec is 27mm but in practice 30-31mm, depending on the rim.)? I just love them on my Felt Z4. I have them on Zipp 30 Course Disc wheels. Next bike could definitely be a Strada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TDI Hoo View Post
    Hey, Superdave:
    Will Challenge Paris-Roubaix open tubulars fit on the Strada (Spec is 27mm but in practice 30-31mm, depending on the rim.)? I just love them on my Felt Z4. I have them on Zipp 30 Course Disc wheels. Next bike could definitely be a Strada.
    Thanks for your message and inquiry. If you have the tires and wheels in questions just measure the cross section. I'm able to run 28mm Continental tires on my Strada with about 3mm of clearance to the frame. This is not enough for ISO and EN rules but it's fine in practice. The tires measure 30.8mm at 75psi.

    The Challenge tires will stretch over time so be aware of that caveat.

    -SD

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    Thanks Superdave! The Challenge Paris-Roubaix tires on the Zipp 30 Course discs measure 31 mm exactly at 80 psi after about a year of use. I really miss having you at the Felt forum, but having you with 3T makes is much easier to buy a Strada 3T and components. Companies underestimate the value of having experts available for questions like these. Zipp and SRAM and Quarq have figured this out with great phone support and easy part availability and fast shipping. Fulcrum, handled by Campy in the USA, has not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TDI Hoo View Post
    Thanks Superdave! The Challenge Paris-Roubaix tires on the Zipp 30 Course discs measure 31 mm exactly at 80 psi after about a year of use. I really miss having you at the Felt forum, but having you with 3T makes is much easier to buy a Strada 3T and components. Companies underestimate the value of having experts available for questions like these. Zipp and SRAM and Quarq have figured this out with great phone support and easy part availability and fast shipping. Fulcrum, handled by Campy in the USA, has not.
    If you ever have a Felt question I'd be happy to answer them and I'm still in contact with many of the staff there if you need me to forward and request for parts or inventory. It's a good crew.

    I think you'll find that a 31mm will fit in the frame, it just may not be practical and it will fall outside the minimum ISO clearance of 5mm. Let me know if you need help sourcing the STRADA. Our first two months of inventory have been sold out and I've nearly completed placement of all the November inventory so it is likely you'll need to find a retailer with one in stock if you're buying before Dec inventory arrives at our office.

    -SD

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    ....and it ended up being road.cc's superbike of the year. Congrats 3T.

    road.cc Superbike of the Year 2017-18 | road.cc
    Every climb has its end, for verily with difficulty there is relief...

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    I donít like it at all and I donít see much innovation actually - BUT I love that they managed to create some excitement about a new bike in the Pro Peloton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashadabd View Post
    ....and it ended up being road.cc's superbike of the year. Congrats 3T.
    road.cc Superbike of the Year 2017-18 | road.cc
    Thanks for the acknowledgement. It's been a dream-launch with so much attention given to the fact we're not hedging on what undoubtedly is the future of road bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashadabd View Post
    ....and it ended up being road.cc's superbike of the year. Congrats 3T.

    road.cc Superbike of the Year 2017-18 | road.cc
    Yeah. Iím sure that didnít cost them anything. Iíll stick with my close gear ratios and rim brakes thank you very much. Donít see how hanging MTB stuff on an aero road bike frame counts as innovative. Weíll see how the Aqua-Blue riders like either spinning their nuts off or mashing big gears like it was 1990.
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    Well it cost us the same as all the other bikes in the test. They had to actually get the bike to test it. Do you think they bought the Specialized or was that free to test as well? You can stick with your close gear ratios, that's what the road market has prescribed to for the last 30 years but recently the products that are in demand are those that offer wider range of gearing, not close steps. Hanging MTB stuff on the frame is a stop gap as the frame is a bit ahead of the component makers who are rushing to fill the large void in the 1x road market. It'll come. The Aqua Blue Sport riders have the same range as they had last year. It was 53/39T with 11-25t or 11-28t and 11-30t on some alpine stages. Now they'll use a 9-32t cassette with a 40, 42, 44T chainring depending on the stage profile. A 2 x 11s system has about 14 or 15 unique gear combinations. They'll get by with 11 combinations and the same overall range. The cassette has "clusters" of cogs with small gaps, either at the top of the range or the bottom depending on the course profile and finish. With that said, these adaptations are for the 0.001% of cyclists to use when they compete at the highest level. For a hack like me I'm gruntled with my 50T ring and 11-40t cassette and MTB rear derailleur. It's not what keeps me off the podium.

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    Hey Superdave!

    Just about ready to pull the trigger on a 3T Strada or Strada Due. Strada Pro Force complete bike seems like a relative bargain. Coming from a Felt Z4 Disc with compact cranks 50/34 and 11-32, will I be Ok for my May Storming of Thunderidge 3400 foot climb with the stock 50T and 11-36, or would I need something like the XG-1199 10-42 cassette with an XD hub and a 44T front ring?
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    I have around 6k miles on my Strada, I am running the 10-42 and a 44T up front. With this set up I have never wanted for gearing and I have climbed, and descended, some nasty stuff.
    The bigger jumps between gears is noticeable, but not bothersome. You will be used to it after 1 ride and between the handling, the comfort, the disks, and the gearing you will be wondering why you were ever worried about that stuff.
    Having owned Specialized, Wilier, BMC and a Pinarello in the past, I like the 3T the best. The ride quality is superior in every way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TDI Hoo View Post
    Hey Superdave!

    Just about ready to pull the trigger on a 3T Strada or Strada Due. Strada Pro Force complete bike seems like a relative bargain. Coming from a Felt Z4 Disc with compact cranks 50/34 and 11-32, will I be Ok for my May Storming of Thunderidge 3400 foot climb with the stock 50T and 11-36, or would I need something like the XG-1199 10-42 cassette with an XD hub and a 44T front ring?
    50T x 11t = 46T x 10t
    34T x 32t = 46T x 42t

    If you find yourself spending a great deal of time in the 50T x 11t or ride with groups where you need recovery at speed then I'd go with the 46T, if you'd rather have the help on the steep stuff, run the 44T. I had a 10-42t cassette swapped with a WolfTooth 44t big cog that I enjoyed for a few 200km, 10,000ft days on my Exploro but on the paved roads I was gruntled with a 52T and 11-40t.

    -SD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superdave3T View Post
    50T x 11t = 46T x 10t
    34T x 32t = 46T x 42t

    If you find yourself spending a great deal of time in the 50T x 11t or ride with groups where you need recovery at speed then I'd go with the 46T, if you'd rather have the help on the steep stuff, run the 44T. I had a 10-42t cassette swapped with a WolfTooth 44t big cog that I enjoyed for a few 200km, 10,000ft days on my Exploro but on the paved roads I was gruntled with a 52T and 11-40t.

    -SD
    Very helpful. I did fine on the climb last year, so I think 46T with the 10-42 cassette is where I will start. SOTR is 8800 feet of climbing Mountains of Misery is 10,000 feet of climbing. I might like to have the 44T for that. Many thanks! Felt Z4 is in the shop this week. I rode a century (Between the Waters) on the Eastern Shore of Virginia in October during a big storm, and the roads were flooded with Chesapeake Bay water. We were riding in 6-12 inches of sea water on the road for about a mile. Even though I washed the bike 3 hours later, my Look pedal spindles and the bottom bracket bearings are all rusted. Should be ready in a day or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TDI Hoo View Post
    Very helpful. I did fine on the climb last year, so I think 46T with the 10-42 cassette is where I will start. SOTR is 8800 feet of climbing Mountains of Misery is 10,000 feet of climbing. I might like to have the 44T for that. Many thanks! Felt Z4 is in the shop this week. I rode a century (Between the Waters) on the Eastern Shore of Virginia in October during a big storm, and the roads were flooded with Chesapeake Bay water. We were riding in 6-12 inches of sea water on the road for about a mile. Even though I washed the bike 3 hours later, my Look pedal spindles and the bottom bracket bearings are all rusted. Should be ready in a day or two.
    That old Felt is a great bike. I was very happy with the execution on the Z series and the update to that line the VR but there's no match for the ocean! Good to hear it's still logging miles and smiles.

    I'd be delinquent in not cautioning you to wait ~6 weeks to see what's coming before pulling the trigger on products today that'll be updated very soon.

    -SD

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    12 speed is coming imminently, I suspect. Gerard Vroomen, like you, responds to inquiries on the 3T blog page. Great customer service from Felt and 3T. I will wait 6 weeks.

    Hey, Dave, for my 2012 Z6 with 10 speed Tiagra (N +1), I want to upgrade to 11 speed SRAM Rival (or 12 speed) if that comes out. The 2012 Z6 has a FSA megaexo bottom bracket. I am fine with the Omega crank. Can I just change the FSA chainrings to SRAM 11 speed for Yaw so it will work with SRAM front derailleur? I don't think there is any way to convert the mega Exo bottom bracket to BB30 or GXP. Or is there, if I get a Rival or Force or Quarq crankset for that bike?
    I just scored a nearly new 3T Ergonova Team and ARX II stem for the 2012 Z6. I like the discs better on the Z4, but the older Z6 is a fantastic bike, too. Nice to have it available when the Z4 is in the shop.

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    You can just buy SRAM Yaw rings and install them on the Omega crankset, yes. You can install a GXP bottom bracket in the bike as well but that's hardly the most affordable route for a "rain bike".

    There's no 12 speed Rival on the horizon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superdave3T View Post
    You can just buy SRAM Yaw rings and install them on the Omega crankset, yes. You can install a GXP bottom bracket in the bike as well but that's hardly the most affordable route for a "rain bike".

    There's no 12 speed Rival on the horizon.
    Thanks again, Dave!

    SRAM said their yaw rings will be off by 3/10 of a mm with the Omega crankset. Close enough for government work. I will get the rest of the Rival stuff for the Z6 so it can be my rain bike.

    Thanks for the heads up on Strada and Strada Due. SRAM Red eTAP AXS 1X12 and 2X12 are now on Strada and Strada Due bikes on the 3T web page. Now, I just need to come up with an extra $3000 to buy one or the other, compared to Force 1 X 11. Choices, choices. But 1X12 eTAP is probably the way I will go.

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    Keeps getting better with SRAM Force eTAP AXS 1x12 and 2x12 complete Strada bikes now available. Lots of used Strada frames of eBay, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TDI Hoo View Post
    Keeps getting better with SRAM Force eTAP AXS 1x12 and 2x12 complete Strada bikes now available. Lots of used Strada frames of eBay, too.
    what size do you need?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superdave3T View Post
    what size do you need?
    The 3T folks said a medium Strada frame would be best fit in comparison to my Z4 Disc 54 cm in terms of reach, etc. I switched the Z4 bars to Zipp Contour SL with longer reach and deeper drop, so I am ready for a more aero frame.

    I have been holding off from purchase since I fractured my patella 6 weeks ago. I am back on the bike for a week now. I am a quick healer.

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