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    Climbing Rigs

    What are you folks that enjoy or just face lots of climbing riding these days? Rim or disc? Aero or no? Whatís your dream climbing bike right now?

    I recently went back to a rim brakes bike after years on disc bikes due in part to how much climbing there is in Colorado and because I embraced that discs arenít truly a necessity for the riding I do (I am typically indoors on Zwift if the weather is bad, etc.). I currently have a Museeuw MFC 3.0 that I love. Nothing fancy, but a joy to ride fast and climb on. Thinking of ďupgradingĒ to the new Giant TCR Advanced Pro rim frameset. It seems like a pretty solid value for what you are getting. I would just transfer most of my components over and call it a day if I go that route.

    I want to hear about you guys though. What ya riding or hoping to ride?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashadabd View Post
    What are you folks that enjoy or just face lots of climbing riding these days? Rim or disc? Aero or no? Whatís your dream climbing bike right now?

    I recently went back to a rim brakes bike after years on disc bikes due in part to how much climbing there is in Colorado and because I embraced that discs arenít truly a necessity for the riding I do (I am typically indoors on Zwift if the weather is bad, etc.). I currently have a Museeuw MFC 3.0 that I love. Nothing fancy, but a joy to ride fast and climb on. Thinking of ďupgradingĒ to the new Giant TCR Advanced Pro rim frameset. It seems like a pretty solid value for what you are getting. I would just transfer most of my components over and call it a day if I go that route.

    I want to hear about you guys though. What ya riding or hoping to ride?
    I personally would not choose a bike based on whether it has rim or disc brakes. Hydraulic disc brakes are nice, but not really necessary for most riding unless you ride in rain and wet roads a lot. Discs add a trivial amount of weight to the bike, but nothing that will make a noticeable difference.

    If your Museeuw MFC 3.0 is a joy to ride fast and climb on, why are you upgrading?
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    Hey Lombard, mostly due to limited tire clearance (if I do it). The Museeuw is a classic Belgian bike from the mid 2010s. So, 25mm max is all I can fit. I bought the frame brand new on a ridiculous closeout sale a while back. The Giant would allow me to stay on rim brakes and fit at least 28mm tires (probably more). It would also be nice to eventually grab a newer design, but as you alluded to, I am not in a rush due to how much I enjoy the Museeuw.

    I am mostly checking the temperature and seeing what people are liking these days. What are you riding currently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashadabd View Post
    I want to hear about you guys though. What ya riding or hoping to ride?
    Funny, remembering the quiver killer threads, you and I seem to go through the same machinations at the same time!

    Iíve told myself if I get to 150 lbs I can buy a climbing bike. 10 lbs to go! This also presumes my knees stop being my main limiter.

    Iím all in for discs. At this point they donít present a barrier to reaching 6.8kg (as if Iím ever going to be in an event where someone will care😉). Also, Iím really enjoying the flexibility of swapping wheels between my road and gravel bikes. For this reason I would stay with 11 speed even if Shimano releases DA12.

    The 2021 Trek Emonda looks good. It has a threaded bottom bracket, making it a strong contender. Also Trek has discovered the color wheel doesnít stop at black.

    Canyon Ultimate CFR has to be considered. Itís the price leader for built-up bikes, bare frame less so. I really donít care for Canyonís ďmy way or the highwayĒ approach to fit, though.

    Bianchi is rumored to be about to release a new Specialissima Disc for 2021. I have always coveted Celeste.

    One concern I have is steerer tube to stem interface. It seems a lot of bikes are using proprietary setups, especially with integrated stem/bars. This is probably just ignorance on my part, but it seems some of them actually demand using the mfrís parts, or at least you have to make sure you get a version supporting the configuration you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSR View Post
    Funny, remembering the quiver killer threads, you and I seem to go through the same machinations at the same time!

    Iíve told myself if I get to 150 lbs I can buy a climbing bike. 10 lbs to go! This also presumes my knees stop being my main limiter.

    Iím all in for discs. At this point they donít present a barrier to reaching 6.8kg (as if Iím ever going to be in an event where someone will care😉). Also, Iím really enjoying the flexibility of swapping wheels between my road and gravel bikes. For this reason I would stay with 11 speed even if Shimano releases DA12.

    The 2021 Trek Emonda looks good. It has a threaded bottom bracket, making it a strong contender. Also Trek has discovered the color wheel doesnít stop at black.

    Canyon Ultimate CFR has to be considered. Itís the price leader for built-up bikes, bare frame less so. I really donít care for Canyonís ďmy way or the highwayĒ approach to fit, though.

    Bianchi is rumored to be about to release a new Specialissima Disc for 2021. I have always coveted Celeste.

    One concern I have is steerer tube to stem interface. It seems a lot of bikes are using proprietary setups, especially with integrated stem/bars. This is probably just ignorance on my part, but it seems some of them actually demand using the mfrís parts, or at least you have to make sure you get a version supporting the configuration you want.
    They say great minds think alike lol. I heart threaded bottom brackets as well. Unfortunately for me and my new rim brake phase I am in, most of the newer bikes coming out with threaded BBs are disc only. I would love to come across a lightweight bike with a threaded bb and direct mount rim brakes, but it looks like those might be extinct.

    I like all of the new options you mentioned. Specialized is supposed to releasing a new bike in the next two or three days that Daniel Oss and Peter Sagan leaked on social media. It might be a climbing bike too, but I canít say for sure.

    Right now, I like the Giant quite a bit from a value perspective. I wish it had a threaded BB, but I could live without it. I might look at the Canyon as well. I also really like what Wilier is doing and my friend is a dealer here locally. Colnagoís V3RS would be in the mix if it werenít so expensive. I think Pinarello released a new Prince too and that is usually cheaper than the Dogma and will have a threaded BB.
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    Itís supposed to be super lightweight I think. https://www.velonews.com/gear/road-g...-on-instagram/

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    Not wishing to dive down the rim v disc rabbit hole, but this round up of winning bikes from the TdF might give you some food for thought re frames in both categories.
    https://www.cyclingnews.com/features...our-de-france/

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSR View Post
    Not wishing to dive down the rim v disc rabbit hole, but this round up of winning bikes from the TdF might give you some food for thought re frames in both categories.
    https://www.cyclingnews.com/features...our-de-france/
    Cool, I will check it out. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSR View Post
    Not wishing to dive down the rim v disc rabbit hole, but this round up of winning bikes from the TdF might give you some food for thought re frames in both categories.
    https://www.cyclingnews.com/features...our-de-france/
    I think that last paragraph sums it up perfectly. For most of us, itís not going to make a huge difference either way and itís a personal preference kind of thing. If you are going to swap wheels, are concerned about availability and compatibility in the future, want to ride in varied whether, or plan to venture off road regularly, disc brakes make a ton of sense. If you want to build the absolute lightest bike you can, want a more aero braking system, or just like to keep it old school, rim brakes are a good way to go too.

    Personally, I think disc brakes are going to become so common, safe enough, light enough, and aero enough that rim brakes no longer make sense for most of us. Weíre almost there really, but I am still enjoying that rim life currently. Weíll see what happens on the next build though lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashadabd View Post
    Hey Lombard, mostly due to limited tire clearance (if I do it). The Museeuw is a classic Belgian bike from the mid 2010s. So, 25mm max is all I can fit. I bought the frame brand new on a ridiculous closeout sale a while back. The Giant would allow me to stay on rim brakes and fit at least 28mm tires (probably more). It would also be nice to eventually grab a newer design, but as you alluded to, I am not in a rush due to how much I enjoy the Museeuw.

    I am mostly checking the temperature and seeing what people are liking these days. What are you riding currently?
    My most ridden bikes right now are my 2014 Cannondale Synapse Carbon road bike and my 2017 Jamis Renegade Exploit gravel bike (631 Reynolds frame). The Synapse fits 28mm tires max.

    I hear you on wanting something you can fit wider tires in. Moving up from 25's to 28's makes a difference in comfort with no noticeable difference anywhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashadabd View Post
    I would love to come across a lightweight bike with a threaded bb and direct mount rim brakes, but it looks like those might be extinct.
    2021 Trek Emonda SLR RSL frameset. Direct mount rim brakes, threaded bottom bracket and $400 less than the disc version.

    https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...olorCode=black

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    My most ridden bikes right now are my 2014 Cannondale Synapse Carbon road bike and my 2017 Jamis Renegade Exploit gravel bike (631 Reynolds frame). The Synapse fits 28mm tires max.

    I hear you on wanting something you can fit wider tires in. Moving up from 25's to 28's makes a difference in comfort with no noticeable difference anywhere else.
    Both nice bikes. Classics really. I tested a Synapse around that vintage back in the day and really liked it. I agree on tire widths. I think 28mm-30mm tires are my favorite for road riding.
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    To hit on another climbing related topic, I donít know if you guys have seen this, but itís interesting. I actually donít live too far from this area.

    https://www.velonews.com/gear/road-g...p-aero-wheels/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashadabd View Post
    Both nice bikes. Classics really. I tested a Synapse around that vintage back in the day and really liked it. I agree on tire widths. I think 28mm-30mm tires are my favorite for road riding.
    Thanks. Yikes, never thought of those as "classics", but I guess that Synapse is in fact 6 years old now. The 2014 was the year the Synapse had a major model change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSR View Post
    2021 Trek Emonda SLR RSL frameset. Direct mount rim brakes, threaded bottom bracket and $400 less than the disc version.

    https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...olorCode=black
    Thatís interesting. It looks like they kept the prior year models around as their rim brake options. I will have to revisit what people thought about it for sure. Thanks!

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    I think it is essentially the same bike as this one.

    https://weightweenies.starbike.com/f...c.php?t=154208

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashadabd View Post
    I think it is essentially the same bike as this one.

    https://weightweenies.starbike.com/f...c.php?t=154208
    Probably right. Itís using the 700 OCLV carbon, as the 800 in the new frame.

    I threw my back out just looking at the set-to-bar drop. 😉

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSR View Post
    Probably right. Itís using the 700 OCLV carbon, as the 800 in the new frame.

    I threw my back out just looking at the set-to-bar drop. 😉
    Haha! Trekís H1 setup was definitely not for the faint hearted. Itís really not super practical for most people. They just end up with a stack of spacers under the stem, which isnít any better than a taller headtube lol.

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    I've always wanted to try an Emonda climbing. Still on my 2015 Scott Addict and loving it. But I wonder if something a little more rigid would actually make a difference.

    Test-rode highest end BMC Teammachine a couple years ago and that was nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetdog9 View Post
    I've always wanted to try an Emonda climbing. Still on my 2015 Scott Addict and loving it. But I wonder if something a little more rigid would actually make a difference.

    Test-rode highest end BMC Teammachine a couple years ago and that was nice.
    The new Emondaís definitely look nice. It seems like you should splurge for the SLR if you are going to do it though. The weight difference between SL and SLR seems pretty significant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashadabd View Post
    If you are going to swap wheels, are concerned about availability and compatibility in the future, want to ride in varied whether, or plan to venture off road regularly, disc brakes make a ton of sense. If you want to build the absolute lightest bike you can, want a more aero braking system, or just like to keep it old school, rim brakes are a good way to go too.

    You might have that backwards. It's my understanding there is not universal standard for disc brake currently and there are several types of hubs, levers, quick release and so on. I wouldn't be very confident what I get today for a frame and brakes will be common in the future.
    Whereas not matter how uncommon a basic rim brake becomes I really don't see there ever being a day where one can't get a basic 130 hub and calipers. I suppose eventually it might he hard to get a high end group set to use but that would appear to be quite far off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Strongbow View Post
    You might have that backwards. It's my understanding there is not universal standard for disc brake currently and there are several types of hubs, levers, quick release and so on. I wouldn't be very confident what I get today for a frame and brakes will be common in the future.
    Whereas not matter how uncommon a basic rim brake becomes I really don't see there ever being a day where one can't get a basic 130 hub and calipers. I suppose eventually it might he hard to get a high end group set to use but that would appear to be quite far off.
    Not really, what I meant by that was in the future or currently there will be way more disc wheels and brake options being sold and produced than there will be rim. Many manufacturers arenít even making rim brake equipped bikes on a large scale anymore in fact. For those that are concerned about having options for upgrades and replacements are probably better off with disc as a result. Yes there is some variety, but when you look at the marketplace, if you have a recently designed disc equipped bike, you pretty much have lots of options for parts and wheels. I think that will continue to go in the other direction for rim brakes unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Strongbow View Post
    Whereas not matter how uncommon a basic rim brake becomes I really don't see there ever being a day where one can't get a basic 130 hub and calipers. I suppose eventually it might he hard to get a high end group set to use but that would appear to be quite far off.
    It's already difficult to find good mountain bike wheel stuff, especially for 26".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    It's already difficult to find good mountain bike wheel stuff, especially for 26".
    Yep. As alluded to earlier in the thread, itís already getting challenging to find narrower rims and tires for an ďold schoolĒ rim equipped road bike produced 5 or so years ago. I canít imagine what it will be like 5-10 years from now to be honest.
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