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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    I have seen many times bikes laid in the van with derailleur DOWN, often on top of other bikes with derailleurs up.
    What can I say? You can't fix stupid. Though most riders I have come across know better than to do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    Didn't ask you what gear this fixie was using. He'd be spinning out frequently in 42-19 on a century with a bunch of big boys in their awesome compact gearing!

    Your original point however, is he'd kick everyone's a$$ if he had a higher gear, right?
    A single higher gear? No... no he wouldn't.
    When he rides his 6 speed, he can hang with the 'big boys'... until the hills. Then he gets dropped.
    And when he rides his 11sp... he doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
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    Yep, disposable derailleur hangers. Great point.

    The original reason was the aluminum also tended to break when bent. The old CRMO hangers could 90% of the time be bent back with the appropriate tool. If not, the drive side dropout could be replaced with a brazing torch. Ah the good ole days of brazing torches and hot metal!

    But you're right. Put the weakest link in the hanger. The old steel hangers were just too stiff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Time Toulouse View Post
    OK, boomer
    Hey, I'm a boomer, but at the tail end. And I think Freddy admitted awhile back he's before the boomers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    A single higher gear? No... no he wouldn't.
    When he rides his 6 speed, he can hang with the 'big boys'... until the hills. Then he gets dropped.
    And when he rides his 11sp... he doesn't.

    Physics is physics.
    Two things missing here.

    1. His 6 speed bike weighs 22 pounds and he's got a low gear of 42-28?

    2. His 11 speed bike weighs 17 pounds and has a 39-32 lowest gear?

    I've been told and witnessed myself, those fixies can be very light. So they climb like bandits in gears such as 42-17. I notice, all else being equal, a bike that is 5 pounds lighter climbs faster. That's why I was interested in what gear[s] this fixie guy is riding.

    Sure, not a great idea to ride a fixie in a group ride with freewheelers. So what gear is he in when he gets dropped? What gear is he in when he doesn't get dropped? I ask because I have no problem keeping up with riders in 42-28, almost all the time pedaling faster than they are, on a 24# bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    Two things missing here.

    1. His 6 speed bike weighs 22 pounds and he's got a low gear of 42-28?

    2. His 11 speed bike weighs 17 pounds and has a 39-32 lowest gear?

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    Gee...it's almost like you're saying gears make a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    Gee...it's almost like you're saying gears make a difference.
    I think he's trying to use a "weight makes more difference than gears" argument, or some such horse pucky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    Hey, I'm a boomer, but at the tail end. And I think Freddy admitted awhile back he's before the boomers.
    Well, being born in 1961, I guess you could call me a 'boomer', but I never identified as one. Couldn't stand the popular music of the time, I had older parents, and identified with the emerging punk scene more than anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Time Toulouse View Post
    Well, being born in 1961, I guess you could call me a 'boomer', but I never identified as one. Couldn't stand the popular music of the time, I had older parents, and identified with the emerging punk scene more than anything else.
    Same here. My teen years were during the........ecccccchhhhh..........disco age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    Same here. My teen years were during the........ecccccchhhhh..........disco age.
    A bit off thread, but yeah, every generation has its own sound track.

    Went to a Joan Baez concert around '63 in Queens, NY, where teens booed her special guest, Bob Dylan, off stage. Picked up AM radio stations at night in Buffalo and Tullahoma, TN, that played R&B Cousin Brucie wouldn't run on WABC.

    Drove home Saturday nights from my job at the airport, "jumping with my boy Symphony Sid" at the Palladium Ballroom, hosting Joe Cuba, Ray Barretto, and La Lupe, the voice that would turn a man into jello.

    There was a bouzouki band over at the Egyptian Gardens that played like Bill Monroe and his Bluegrass Boys, with graceful belly dancers tapping finger cymbals. Wealthy old men would slip dollar bills in their bras and they'd do a little dance just for them. I've never seen anything like it on videos; must be a dying art; a relic of the pre-industrial age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmf View Post
    As someone in my late 50's, I seem to be travelling back in time. Increasingly, I have a preference for steel framed bikes. Only one of my five bikes are carbon, and I don't ride it much. I ride the titanium bike in the winter and use it for travelling. I was riding/racing a carbon fiber bike in the early 1990's (Kestrel 200 Sci) and taking a lot of [email protected] from the steel is real crowd about my plastic bike.

    I disagree with the OP. There's nothing wrong with spending money on a bike if it makes you happy. Name one hobby where almost anyone can afford the very top of the line. Boats? Cars? Machine guns? Plus it's a good for you hobby. Will that expensive bike make you faster? Probably not. Will 423 less grams make you top that big hill sooner? If yes, barely. But if it makes you happy and gets you out more often, its money well spent. Part of the goal of retirement is to be able to survive to enjoy it for a while.

    If titanium is in a league by itself, then why on earth aren't you getting a titanium bike next? Instead of the Master (there is no 's'), spend a bit more and get an Arabesque. But don't get the blue one --- that's mine.

    https://www.colnago.com/en/bikes/arabesque/
    That Arabesque is gorgeous. I still want to buy a Ti bike one day, but I've always wanted a steel Nag Master. I think I should buy one before I buy any other bike. I love the feel of steel. My love for Ti is due to it being such an amazing material. However, I have told myself that I will be buying a steel bike soon and it has to be the Nag. Never owned one, but I want to see how light I can build the Master X Light to be and still be useable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terbennett View Post
    That Arabesque is gorgeous. I still want to buy a Ti bike one day, but I've always wanted a steel Nag Master. I think I should buy one before I buy any other bike. I love the feel of steel. My love for Ti is due to it being such an amazing material. However, I have told myself that I will be buying a steel bike soon and it has to be the Nag. Never owned one, but I want to see how light I can build the Master X Light to be and still be useable.
    An Arabesque is just a Master with fancy lug work. They're both still made in Italy. That means something to me in the age of mass produced Chinese carbon bikes. I think once Ernesto dies, that'll be it. Still usable? My Arabesque would probably be lighter than my titanium bike if it had a carbon fork. But that would be a crime. Fact is, you'll never notice a few extra pounds difference. I built the Arabesque with Campy Chorus parts. The Eddy got a Campy Athena group that I had laying around. I have no idea why they quit making that group. It's the most attractive modern group out there. For me, the weight isn't something I care about a lot.

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