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    Quote Originally Posted by deviousalex View Post
    EU laws state that 60% of the 'value added' must be done in the country in order for it to be considered 'made' there. Since they pay first world salaries to paint it vs. 3rd world salaries to actually make it they can put that shiny little 'Made in Italy' sticker on there.
    Exactly. Hard to sell a Taiwanese-made frame for $7000 with a 2 year warranty if you don't have that fake "Made in Italy" sticker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deviousalex View Post
    EU laws state that 60% of the 'value added' must be done in the country in order for it to be considered 'made' there. Since they pay first world salaries to paint it vs. 3rd world salaries to actually make it they can put that shiny little 'Made in Italy' sticker on there.
    Perhaps, they should change their marketing strategy from "sounding tech to sell bikes" to "sounding arty to sell bikes." They can hire some virtuosic painters (a kind of Michelangelo of bicycle frame painting) to hand paint their frames so that they can reclaim their Italian heritage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WTFcyclist View Post
    Perhaps, they should change their marketing strategy from "sounding tech to sell bikes" to "sounding arty to sell bikes." They can hire some virtuosic painters (a kind of Michelangelo of bicycle frame painting) to hand paint their frames so that they can reclaim their Italian heritage.
    Isn't that niche already cornered by Pegoretti? To his credit, as far as I know all Pegoretti frames are still welded/brazed in his workshop. And his hand-painted designs are certainly very unique.

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    Halo bikes cost roughly one-fifth of the average US household income meaning they're the stuff of dreams for most. But as unattainable as those bikes seem, there are people who can and do buy them "Halo bikes are where the latest technology comes from and these are the product used by our athletes and teams," Sims told us. "Ultimately, what gets developed on the halo bikes will trickle down to the more affordable models. If you take for example our Allez bikes, they're entry-level but these frames are stiffer than the frame that Levi Leipheimer used to win the Tour of Germany a few years ago."
    Well at least something is trickling down from the enormous Bananna Republic size wealth disparity we have in the US today. Even though you probably have a crappy low paying job you can go the bike store and say" thanks to rich people this $1500. bike is better than the one used to win the tour of Germany 2 years ago."
    "Pee-wee Herman loved his bicycle more than life itself"

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    Quote Originally Posted by draganM View Post
    Well at least something is trickling down from the enormous Bananna Republic size wealth disparity we have in the US today. Even though you probably have a crappy low paying job you can go the bike store and say" thanks to rich people this $1500. bike is better than the one used to win the tour of Germany 2 years ago."
    Technology almost has to trickle down in order to make the investment worth it. Money is the opposite way, the less other people have of it the more yours is worth.

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    For $16.5K, I would get a BMW S1000RR!
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    I am sure many other manufacturers with similar marketing strategies (and PRICES!) are just glad Pinarello is there to take hits from the criticism! It's like the McDonald's of bikes. All the other fast food joints are as heart clogging as (or more than) McDees.

    Same here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcm View Post
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    If you buy a McClaren I'm sure you could convince them to toss that frame in for free. It's just plastic after all

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    What would be the resale value of that $16.5 Dogma after a couple of years (or even just 1 year)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by config View Post
    What would be the resale value of that $16.5 Dogma after a couple of years (or even just 1 year)?
    Exactly....and what about when the new Dogma comes out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaxRomana View Post
    Exactly. Hard to sell a Taiwanese-made frame for $7000 with a 2 year warranty if you don't have that fake "Made in Italy" sticker.
    So if 60% is added in Italy, that comes down to the frame being valued at $2800 out the door from Taiwan.

    My question is. Does. Pinarello (or any bike company for that matter) not control the "value" of their bikes by setting their own price points? In other words, if the frame is valued 2800 out of Taiwan, they must set the price at 7000 so they can call it "Made in Italy". The value of the item seems to be an arbitrary number the manufacturer is allowed to decide, thus making the percentage of value to achieve "Made in XXXXX" absolutely meaningless.

    Or maybe I'm wrong, just spitballing here.

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    IMO, the only real value anything has it what somebody is willing to pay, not what something costs to produce. And what somebody is willing to pay depends on what they personally value: performance, style, cachet, exclusivity, ostentation... Of all of those, performance probably has the least influence on jacking up value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by config View Post
    For $16.5K, I would get a BMW S1000RR!
    Now there is an example of $16500 worth of racing technology made available to the public. If you really think the Pinnie is money well invested you really are a fool. Sorry, but it's true. Bully to you if you can afford it, but I think your money could be better spent.

    It makes me laugh that anyone can think that bicycles are high tech.

    The carbon fibre technology used in frames has been available to the aerospace industry for 20 years.

    For God sakes road bicycles still use brakes that are actuated by bits of wire that clamp with a couple blocks of rubber or cork.

    Electronic shifting whoopie doo. Your whiz bang shifters are still actuating the same derailleur technology that's been around since the 1920's.

    Bicycle tyres are also a joke. Look at the tyres found on the BMW. OK you may be lucky to get 6-8000km out of them but they'll provide more cornering and braking adhesion than a cyclist could dream of, particularly in the wet. That and I bet they'll be puncture free.

    A lot of cyclists really need to have a good hard think about how they invest their money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by looigi View Post
    IMO, the only real value anything has it what somebody is willing to pay, not what something costs to produce. And what somebody is willing to pay depends on what they personally value: performance, style, cachet, exclusivity, ostentation... Of all of those, performance probably has the least influence on jacking up value.
    That's exactly what drives the resale value. Now for a used item, that's minus the newness and exclusivity. So for the Dogma (for example), that just shows you what some buyers are willing to pay for "exclusivity" for a short period of time.

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    With all the fake Dogma's around, the resale value is very limited. Also if at a race there is 8 fake chinese Dogma's there and you walk in with the real deal, it loses it's wow factor regardless. The value is more in the eye of the beholder vs what others think (Like most things).

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