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    Seks on two wheels! The 2016 Scott Foil releaved

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    First-look review: 2016 Scott Foil | CyclingTips

    Apparently compliance sells bikes! Compliance, compliance, compliance. It's all about stiff and compliant these days. As a beefy porky rider I know that I am going to get excessive flex out of that long thin compliant seat mast and lowered stays. I like round posts for this very reason, if things get too soft I can swap in a aluminum post and hammer away. No doubt that is one sexy machine! This iteration looking much closer to the very similar and older Ridley Noah SL. Scott makes nice bikes and I dig the colorways too. That IAM bike is hhhot!

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    I guess I'm not sophisticated enough to tell the difference between this new Foil, the Giant aero-bike, and the new Venge. They all look the same (or very, very similar) to me.
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    Right. You left out the Ridley Noah SL. I guess to a certain extent all road bikes look alike when broken down into sum of parts.

    The colorways - on second thought - may be a bit much. The unattainable $12K premium model is dressed in underrated black. The others? Well, they get neon wheels. :/
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    I was mostly looking at the frame, that offset rear triangle. Parts don't really count since they can move from one to another. Short of hitting Powerball, I'll never buy any of them, but I'd like to still enjoy looking at them.
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    Very interesting. Scott left the cables exposed on purpose. They tested it against them being hidden and found no difference. Maybe because of the standard front brake placement? A lot of concern for compliance, so much so it's the main reason for the rear brake placement.
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    Surprising the went with the bottom bracket mounted brake. I thought that was out of fashion already. Scott can make the seatstays as flexy as they want without a brake inducing stress.

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    it seems that the fad is to have the stiffest rear hub --> crank --> head tube line and offset that with shaped tubing shaped to flex elsewhere. I was looking into the foil as a 200lbs rider who had more than enough compliance on my current bike. Now I'm wondering if I should be looking for a deal on a used Foil... but the hub, crank, HT connection is stiffer on this one.
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    Is it me or are bikes just getting uglier and uglier? Sure I want to go fast, but I want to look good doing it!
    Wake me up when it's alarm green.

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    Quote Originally Posted by junior1210 View Post
    I guess I'm not sophisticated enough to tell the difference between this new Foil, the Giant aero-bike, and the new Venge. They all look the same (or very, very similar) to me.
    Good point. They are all cookie mold frames made by Giant. Buy the one whose name you like the most. lol.

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    Hmm...
    All these copied LOOK's 795 from last year with the integrated stem that everybody thought was so stupid and ugly.

    Thank you LOOK for leading the way...AGAIN

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    but but but it's not a "5-minute" bike

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    O.k. I take it back. The Foil is the least fugly of the four shown, but all of them are uglier than a nice Soma Stanyan. On the other hand, this is coming from someone who doesn't ride a bike to go fast, just to go where I need to go and enjoy the day while I'm doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by junior1210 View Post
    O.k. I take it back. The Foil is the least fugly of the four shown, but all of them are uglier than a nice Soma Stanyan.
    I'm going to take a shop here and guess you're older than fifty? Not meant to be taken negatively. A lot of the design teams are staffed by younger guys, well, designing for younger guys. Team input isn't going to be the same as coffee shop and l'eroica input. It's not a coincidence that guys who claim these bikes are hideous just look better and happier on a Soma than a Foil.

    You know what I find interesting? And this is very apparent in automobile design: How something [design language] that seemed so attractive when it was released, becomes downright repulsive when it's superseded by a newer model. It's as if all the flaws of it's design which you were thus far blind to, come to light as soon as it's compared against its successor. Taste is a strange thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by junior1210 View Post
    O.k. I take it back. The Foil is the least fugly of the four shown, but all of them are uglier than a nice Soma Stanyan. On the other hand, this is coming from someone who doesn't ride a bike to go fast, just to go where I need to go and enjoy the day while I'm doing it.
    Wrong choir to preach to. I still do some go fast, Scott Addict LTD. I am a big guy and what I can do to have a lower wind signature goes well beyond any frame. But honestly I have begun going back and not forward. Sold two Roubaix and replaced with steel. Still have the Addict, but fundamentally I want to smell the roses, and ride the road and not the equipment anymore.

    Look has it best though IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robt57 View Post
    Look has it best though IMO.
    as they should, they were the first to start integrating. I WOULD ride a frame with the LOOK TT bike print all over. I think it's an appealing look, no pun intended.

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    If you pay attention to the discussion in the Scott forum (and elsewhere) you will see that the concerns over that rear brake placement seem to be overblown and folks who already ride the 2015 Solace, which features a chainstay mounted rear brake, have seen no issues with it.

    Scott does seem to have taken the same approach between those two very different bikes - maximum stiffness in the parts that impact power transfer, maximum compliance in the parts that impact comfort. As for style and the color scheme? I think that will vary from year to year. I know my low end bike (2013 Speedster 20) is a hell of a lot more attractive than just about all the other 2013-2014 Speedster versions. To me.

    So, I like what they are doing in general. As a fifty-something who on a great day averages 19 mpg over shorter distance (say 20 miles) or more like 17 for 50 mile and higher, there is no way I am buying a Foil of any level. The Solace however...hmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maximum7 View Post
    Hmm...
    All these copied LOOK's 795 from last year with the integrated stem that everybody thought was so stupid and ugly.

    Thank you LOOK for leading the way...AGAIN
    I said that Look was ugly back then...and all 4 of those eye-sores are enough to make even the Ugly Duckling feel good about himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9W9W View Post
    I'm going to take a shop here and guess you're older than fifty? Not meant to be taken negatively. A lot of the design teams are staffed by younger guys, well, designing for younger guys. Team input isn't going to be the same as coffee shop and l'eroica input. It's not a coincidence that guys who claim these bikes are hideous just look better and happier on a Soma than a Foil.
    I'm not 50 yet, but I can feel it breathing on my neck. No offense taken, those bikes aren't designed for me or my riding style, so no shock they don't appeal to me. I do appreciate a nice design, I liked the look of the previous Venge. The curves and smooth lines were rather pretty IMO. I won't argue their function, I'm sure there are improvements, for me though I get almost as much pleasure from the appearance as the riding.

    For those who do the riding this bike is meant for though, no doubt she'll go like a rocket sled on rails.
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    The last LOOK, is that a womens bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by junior1210 View Post
    I'm not 50 yet, but I can feel it breathing on my neck. No offense taken, those bikes aren't designed for me or my riding style, so no shock they don't appeal to me. I do appreciate a nice design, I liked the look of the previous Venge. The curves and smooth lines were rather pretty IMO. I won't argue their function, I'm sure there are improvements, for me though I get almost as much pleasure from the appearance as the riding.

    For those who do the riding this bike is meant for though, no doubt she'll go like a rocket sled on rails.
    speak for yourself - I"m over 50 and race on a foil. Masters racing in SoCal is as fast as the 2's, and the foil is a fantastic race bike. Not too sure why they chose to optimize weight and comfort over aerodynamics, though. A 6 watt improvement isn't much - I have zipp aero bars so that would make it pretty close to the new model. I guess Scott still wanted the foil to be the allround choice and not a specialist aero frame like the venge, which makes it distinct from the tarmac. Scott seems like they sort of made the addict redundant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
    The last LOOK, is that a womens bike?
    This was probably tongue in cheek, but I'll bite...

    The 795 is the LOOK's flagship GC race bike with a price tag to match. This particular coloway is not female specific, but their mens model.

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    "Uglier"? Perhaps, but while I can very much appreciate the new technologies, I have found myself scouring Craigslist for a classic lugged steel frame. The high speed, low drag carbon fiber frames are sexy in their own right, but a nice steel Cinelli, Masi, Concorde or Merckx drop my lower jaw like no other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
    The last LOOK, is that a womens bike?
    No, it's their endurance bike. Women's frames are a marketing invention. I remember a specialized employee talking to me about how tehy use "women's specific carbon fiber" in their amira etc. I really had to hold myself back from rolling my eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtbraun View Post
    "Uglier"? Perhaps, but while I can very much appreciate the new technologies, I have found myself scouring Craigslist for a classic lugged steel frame. The high speed, low drag carbon fiber frames are sexy in their own right, but a nice steel Cinelli, Masi, Concorde or Merckx drop my lower jaw like no other.
    I am always looking for something special. And a few nights ago I got very lucky. [see @ link at bottom of post]

    I agree there surely is a modern/current sexiness to lots of the newer stuff. But my sticking with older stuff, 'maybe' I am safer from having to want the latest and greatest continually.

    Something the marketing powers that be surely do not want me to be able to control the compulsions there-to. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevesbike View Post
    Not too sure why they chose to optimize weight and comfort over aerodynamics, though.
    Because let's be honest here. I bet than less than 10% of these bikes sold will actually be raced. So if people perceive them as uncomfortable they won't be sold. So they have to add in some mantra about compliance to sell the bike. Even if that means sacrificing characteristics that are useful in a racing scenario.

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