Which of the two bikes would you choose?
Results 1 to 20 of 20
  1. #1
    Lui
    Lui is offline
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    28

    Which of the two bikes would you choose?

    Hi.

    I need some help since I can't make up my mind. I was about to get a new road bike, a Steven Izoard Pro 2020 model which has a carbon frame, disc brakes, Ultegra 8000 for 2499 Euro.
    https://www.stevensbikes.de/2020/ind...=DE&lang=de_DE

    By coincidence I noticed a bike hanging from the ceiling. It turned out to be a Stevens Xenon 2017 model with a carbon frame, Di2 shifting(but Ultegra 6800), rim brakes and it's pretty lightweight: 6.9kg. It also has a better wheelset.
    https://stevensbikes.de/2017/index.p...=BE&lang=cs_CZ

    Normally the 2017 model costs 1000 Euro more but I could get it for the same price of the 2020 cheaper model.

    It's really a tough decision. One bike is really lightweight and has Di2 shifting but it's close to 4 years old, and the other has normal shifting but disc-brakes and is this year's model.

    I tested both and both feel great.
    Any recommendations? Thanks.

  2. #2
    tlg
    tlg is online now
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation: tlg's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    17,838
    I don't think anyone can answer that for you. What I would choose is pretty irrelevant to what you would choose. The bikes are kinda apples to oranges in comparison.

    The choice is pretty much: do you want Di2 or Disc. do you want a lighter or heavier bike.
    Custom Di2 & Garmin/GoPro mounts 2013 SuperSix EVO Hi-MOD Team * 2004 Klein Aura V

  3. #3
    Lui
    Lui is offline
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    28
    I realize that but to simplify the question:

    Would you rather have a bike with rim brakes and Di2 gears
    or disc brakes with mechanical gears?

    The reason I can't really say myself is because my road bikes all had rim brakes and mechanical gears. I'm not picking one of these new bikes for disc or Di2 but rather because they come with one of the two anyway. I just wanted to know what feature most people would prefer over the other as an extra help to make a decision.
    Last edited by Lui; 10-20-2020 at 04:14 AM.

  4. #4
    tlg
    tlg is online now
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation: tlg's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    17,838
    Quote Originally Posted by Lui View Post
    I realize that but to simplify the question:

    Would you rather have a bike with rim brakes and Di2 gears
    or disc brakes with mechanical gears?
    Yes... that is the simple question. What does it matter what I want? Do I ride in the rain? Do I ride in hilly areas or flat areas?

    Without knowing your riding conditions or my riding conditions it's completely irrelevant what my preference is.
    Custom Di2 & Garmin/GoPro mounts 2013 SuperSix EVO Hi-MOD Team * 2004 Klein Aura V

  5. #5
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    3,357
    Quote Originally Posted by Lui View Post
    Would you rather have a bike with rim brakes and Di2 gears
    or disc brakes with mechanical gears?
    After a few decades of riding, I have a large selection of rim brake wheels. For that reason, I would prefer a rim brake frame so I could take advantage of using those wheels. Do you have a large selection of rim brake wheels? If not, my decision and reasoning have no relevance to you.

  6. #6
    Lui
    Lui is offline
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    28
    To be honest, if the bike I wanted to get had rim brakes and mechanical gears, I would get it because my previous bikes have it and I never had a problem with it. I can live without disc brakes and Di2.

    The two bikes in the shop just happen to have either disc brakes or Di2 gears. The Di2 has the better frame and the better wheelset which is why I'll probably get that bike but it is a 3-4 years old model(still un-used tho) but I'm still on the edge. I just thought if someone could see a solid reason to get one or the other bike it would have helped me decide.

  7. #7
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation: Srode's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    3,931
    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    Yes... that is the simple question. What does it matter what I want? Do I ride in the rain? Do I ride in hilly areas or flat areas?

    Without knowing your riding conditions or my riding conditions it's completely irrelevant what my preference is.
    Yep, need more information if you want input that is worth anything really
    Gravel Rocks

    Trek Domane
    Niner RLT9 (Gravel Bike)
    Niner RLT9 RDO
    BH G7 Disc
    Trek Crockett

    "The Spirit of the Party "serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection

  8. #8
    What the what???
    Reputation: Opus51569's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    12,424
    Quote Originally Posted by Lui View Post
    I can live without disc brakes and Di2.

    The Di2 has the better frame and the better wheelset which is why I'll probably get that bike but it is a 3-4 years old model(still un-used tho)
    Since you can live without the perks on either bike, is one of them more aesthetically pleasing than the other? If not, I'd probably go for the newer bike. If the older model has a "better" frame and wheel set I'd always wonder why it's been sitting around in a shop for more than 3 years.
    Given his penchant for nicknames, and his aversion to reading, I've decided to shorten Donald J. Trump to it's essence: Dump*

    I was "social distancing" before it was cool.

  9. #9
    tlg
    tlg is online now
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation: tlg's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    17,838
    Quote Originally Posted by Lui View Post
    I can live without disc brakes and Di2.
    Lots of people have said that exact same thing. Then they got disc and/or Di2... and said they can't live without.
    Personally... I would never own a bike without Di2. .
    I have bikes with disc. I have bikes with rim. My next bike may have one or the other. But probably disc.

    None of that helps you one bit.

    I just thought if someone could see a solid reason to get one or the other bike it would have helped me decide.
    Nope. There is no solid choice. Both bikes have merit. It's a personal decision you have to make.
    Custom Di2 & Garmin/GoPro mounts 2013 SuperSix EVO Hi-MOD Team * 2004 Klein Aura V

  10. #10
    Lui
    Lui is offline
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    28
    Quote Originally Posted by Opus51569 View Post
    If the older model has a "better" frame and wheel set I'd always wonder why it's been sitting around in a shop for more than 3 years.
    That's a good question I asked myself and still do but one reason might be the the frame size which is small. I'm 5' 9'' and have shorter legs so that size fits me.
    The shop only has 2020 road bikes in that size left because due to Covid most bikes are sold out.
    Also, the majority of bikes the shop has are Gravel bikes which seem to be their main seller.
    Also, most bikes nowadays have disc brakes.

    I guess a rather expensive bike(3600 Euro) with a small frame, and rim brakes might not have been what most people are looking for. The reviews of that bike are quite good. I admit that question is probably why I'm asking in the first place.

  11. #11
    Lui
    Lui is offline
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    28
    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    Lots of people have said that exact same thing. Then they got disc and/or Di2... and said they can't live without.
    Personally... I would never own a bike without Di2.
    Actually, after I took both bikes for a test ride I had more of a 'Wow' feeling on the Di2 bike because I really liked the shifting compared to mechanical shifting. I felt like saying "take my money already". The only thing that gives me doubts is that it is close to 4 years old. I'm not sure if 4 year old Di2 brakes are out-dated or if they're just as good.

  12. #12
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    1,426
    Quote Originally Posted by Opus51569 View Post
    Since you can live without the perks on either bike, is one of them more aesthetically pleasing than the other? If not, I'd probably go for the newer bike. If the older model has a "better" frame and wheel set I'd always wonder why it's been sitting around in a shop for more than 3 years.
    Sometimes it's just market, price, trends, people. When I lived in Bakersfield, the shop I primarily dealt with would get quite a few high end frame. Back in 92 they got in a Paramount frame. They wanted $950 for it. It sat on their wall for 2 years. In 94 the manager asked if I would be interested and he would give it to me for shop price. Now would you say that back in 94 that anything coming out of Trek, Spec, C'dale, Giant would ride so much better than the Paramount? I wouldn't and didn't. I still have the Paramount.

    When I was in Vegas, one of the shops had a Ellsworth Truth built up. All top of the line; top of the line fork, disk brakes, great wheelset, full xtr. They wanted a ton of money for. Was the bike worth it? Yes, but it was expensive and at the time Vegas was extremely trendy. When Litespeeds were popular, everybody rode Litespeeds. When Pinarellos were popular, everybody rode Pinarellos. In a sea of mediocre Treks somebody could have had one of the best full suspension rigs out there but it just sat and sat. Part of it was the shop's fault. After sitting for 3 years they still wanted full price. It sat for another year or two and they finally dropped it to half price. Somebody bought but by then it was almost 5 yrs old.

  13. #13
    Lui
    Lui is offline
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    28
    Quote Originally Posted by exracer View Post
    Part of it was the shop's fault. After sitting for 3 years they still wanted full price. It sat for another year or two and they finally dropped it to half price. Somebody bought but by then it was almost 5 yrs old.
    This sounds familiar. The price on the bike is still the full retail price. After I asked about the bike, one of the employees had to get it off the ceiling. It was hanging on two ropes almost like decoration so I guess not many people even noticed the bike.

    After I took it for a test ride and couldn't decide, the employee said he could knock off about 15-20%. I said I'll sleep over it.
    After I came back I wanted to test it again and to compare it to the 2020 disc bike, they suddenly knocked off another 10-15%.

  14. #14
    pmf
    pmf is offline
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    5,563
    Quote Originally Posted by Lui View Post
    Actually, after I took both bikes for a test ride I had more of a 'Wow' feeling on the Di2 bike because I really liked the shifting compared to mechanical shifting. I felt like saying "take my money already". The only thing that gives me doubts is that it is close to 4 years old. I'm not sure if 4 year old Di2 brakes are out-dated or if they're just as good.
    What version of Di2 is it? I know there's been two versions of the 11-speed mechanical (9000 and 9100). I would have no issues buying a bike that's a few years old. All the bikes I ride are several years old. I wouldn't expect to pay MSRP for it though. I'd take Di2 and better wheels over disc brakes any day of the week.

  15. #15
    Lui
    Lui is offline
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    28
    Quote Originally Posted by pmf View Post
    What version of Di2 is it?
    Shimano Ultegra Di2 6870. The bike has a CS-6800 cassette. I think the Ultegra 8000 version came out shortly after.

  16. #16
    tlg
    tlg is online now
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation: tlg's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    17,838
    Quote Originally Posted by Lui View Post
    Actually, after I took both bikes for a test ride I had more of a 'Wow' feeling on the Di2 bike because I really liked the shifting compared to mechanical shifting. I felt like saying "take my money already".
    Sure, that initial feeling is great. But that's not really the greatness of Di2 IMO. Brand new mechanical shifting is really nice too. But... Di2 feels exactly the same after 100km... 1000km... 10,000km... 20,000km. Shifting is never degraded by worn housing, frayed cables, or dirty/gunky cables. I have 5yrs on Di2 with 3 different bikes. I've never once adjusted a derailleur. Never replaced a cable. Shifting has always been perfect as day one.


    The only thing that gives me doubts is that it is close to 4 years old. I'm not sure if 4 year old Di2 brakes are out-dated or if they're just as good.
    There is no such thing as Di2 brakes. They're the same brakes used on mechanical.
    The BR-6800 are great. The newer BR-8000 are better, but I'd have no doubts riding the 6800's.
    Custom Di2 & Garmin/GoPro mounts 2013 SuperSix EVO Hi-MOD Team * 2004 Klein Aura V

  17. #17
    Lui
    Lui is offline
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    28
    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    Di2 feels exactly the same after 100km... 1000km... 10,000km... 20,000km. Shifting is never degraded by worn housing, frayed cables, or dirty/gunky cables. I have 5yrs on Di2 with 3 different bikes. I've never once adjusted a derailleur. Never replaced a cable. Shifting has always been perfect as day one.
    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    The BR-6800 are great. The newer BR-8000 are better, but I'd have no doubts riding the 6800's.
    Thanks. That's really useful information.

  18. #18
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation: Srode's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    3,931
    All else the same, I would go for the Di2 so you don't have to worry about the rear DR shifter cable replacement every 2000-6000 miles depending on how much you shift and how well you maintain it. There are a few tthings that the older 6800 Di2 doesn't have that the newer series has

    1. The battery doesn't support the wireless module to transmit gear postion and battery charge etc to your cycling head unit. That's an easy swap though assuming its an internal battery, cost under $100 for the battery if you shop around.

    2. The rear DR doesn't have the ability to keep you from small / small (also requires the newer battery) like the newer versions do (Gear control)

    3. You don't get hidden buttons on the Brifter (just to annoy CXwrench ) for auto switching screens on your computer or other functions you can choose (some require the wireless module noted in #1.)

    There won't be any difference in the quality of shifting though and you can always change parts later if you feel you really want missing functionality and it's worth the cost of the upgrades. All the 6800 Di2 parts are compatible with the newer versions out today.

    The only thing undesirable about mechanical shifting is the rear DR cable replacement which you have to stay on top of or it will break and leave you just able to shift the front on a ride, and probably leave you in a smaller cog on the rear which can make some hills pretty tough.
    Gravel Rocks

    Trek Domane
    Niner RLT9 (Gravel Bike)
    Niner RLT9 RDO
    BH G7 Disc
    Trek Crockett

    "The Spirit of the Party "serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection

  19. #19
    Banned Sock Puppet
    Reputation: Lombard's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    11,991
    If you regularly ride in rain or on wet roads, get the disc brake bike.

    If you ride only in dry conditions, your pick.

    Personally, I'm not a fan of e-shifting, but then again, I'm not a fan of changing the rear cable every 1500-2000 miles, which is an issue with Shimano mechanical shifters of the last 3 generations. If I had to do it over again, I would go SRAM Force 22 mechanical. That may happen when I get sick and tired of changing rear shifter cables so often.
    "Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein.

    "With
    bicycles in particular, you need to separate between what's merely true and what's important."
    -- DCGriz, RBR.





  20. #20
    Lui
    Lui is offline
    RoadBikeReview Member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    28
    I ended up getting the Di2 bike and don't regret it. I took my new bike for a ride yesterday and it was great.
    Today it was pouring. I was on my old bike that also has rim brakes. Although it was raining so hard that I could hardly see anything with water in my eyes, the brakes worked just fine.

    Thanks for all the answers. They were all really helpful.

Similar Threads

  1. Which bike would you choose between these two and why?
    By kinchi in forum Bikes, Frames and Forks
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 06-08-2018, 11:27 AM
  2. two wheelsets, what would you choose?
    By redliner in forum Wheels and Tires
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: 03-08-2011, 01:39 PM
  3. What type of wheel would you choose if you could only choose one?
    By cyclingthroughlife in forum Wheels and Tires
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 09-18-2008, 07:11 AM
  4. Which would you choose?
    By CamrobIU in forum Bikes, Frames and Forks
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 06-30-2007, 05:12 PM
  5. $45.24 vs $60.00 - which would you choose?
    By 007webgod in forum General Cycling Discussion
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 07-13-2005, 08:36 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

THE SITE

ABOUT ROADBIKEREVIEW

VISIT US AT

© Copyright 2020 VerticalScope Inc. All rights reserved.