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    It's your money, but the Veloce RD will do just as good a job.

    As for the Record 10-speed shifters, they were superseded in 2009 but I believe Campy continued to manufacture them, and may still be for all I know.
    We just don’t realize the most significant moments of our lives when they’re happening
    Back then I thought “well there'll be other days”
    I didn’t realize that was the only day
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9yrupye7B0

    There's sometimes a buggy.
    How many drivers does a buggy have?
    One.
    So let's just say I'm drivin' this buggy...
    and if you fix your attitude you can ride along with me.
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    Are these the new Veloce shifters you were talking about ? You mentioned improvements...what exactly are they ? I see a different thumb shifter shape - I never shift in the drops, somehow I cannot understand people that did not do their homework and did not shift to a harder gear before going to the drops.

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    Yes.

    The thumb button upshifts once for each push. The finger lever gets up to 3 gears I believe.

    I don't know exactly what Campy did, but my 2015 Veloce shifts better than my 2013 Athena. Both Powershift. Plus it's the "new" (now 8 years old), shape. Stronger braking leverage from the hoods too.
    We just don’t realize the most significant moments of our lives when they’re happening
    Back then I thought “well there'll be other days”
    I didn’t realize that was the only day
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9yrupye7B0

    There's sometimes a buggy.
    How many drivers does a buggy have?
    One.
    So let's just say I'm drivin' this buggy...
    and if you fix your attitude you can ride along with me.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekiIMh4ZkM

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    I remember forum members that were mad at Campagnolo for making 11 speed stuff incompatible, year after year.So, even if I go for a 11 speed RD and shifters...they might not work ? My LBS are die-hard shimaNO fans and refuse to do anything more complicated on a Campagnolo setup :-(

    So, compatibility-wise... these or these shifters...

    https://www.bike-components.de/en/Ca...griffe-p41098/

    https://www.bike-components.de/en/Ca...griffe-p41097/

    ...with this or this RD ?

    https://www.bike-components.de/en/Ca...1-fach-p29867/

    They say this two RD need 2015 or newer shifters...

    https://www.bike-components.de/en/Ca...1-fach-p41126/

    https://www.bike-components.de/en/Ca...1-fach-p41125/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fixt00l View Post
    I remember forum members that were mad at Campagnolo for making 11 speed stuff incompatible, year after year.So, even if I go for a 11 speed RD and shifters...they might not work ? My LBS are die-hard shimaNO fans and refuse to do anything more complicated on a Campagnolo setup :-(

    So, compatibility-wise... these or these shifters...

    https://www.bike-components.de/en/Ca...griffe-p41098/

    https://www.bike-components.de/en/Ca...griffe-p41097/

    ...with this or this RD ?

    https://www.bike-components.de/en/Ca...1-fach-p29867/

    No not this RD

    They say this two RD need 2015 or newer shifters...

    https://www.bike-components.de/en/Ca...1-fach-p41126/

    https://www.bike-components.de/en/Ca...1-fach-p41125/

    Yes, either of those


    Plus the matching FD
    We just don’t realize the most significant moments of our lives when they’re happening
    Back then I thought “well there'll be other days”
    I didn’t realize that was the only day
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9yrupye7B0

    There's sometimes a buggy.
    How many drivers does a buggy have?
    One.
    So let's just say I'm drivin' this buggy...
    and if you fix your attitude you can ride along with me.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekiIMh4ZkM

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    Thanks ! Which of those ? The Chorus is 75 EUR, I wonder if it is worth it...Is there any improvement in shifting...

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    You can clearly see the difference in the length of the lever with the newer FD's. The Potenza would appear to be the new design also.
    We just don’t realize the most significant moments of our lives when they’re happening
    Back then I thought “well there'll be other days”
    I didn’t realize that was the only day
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9yrupye7B0

    There's sometimes a buggy.
    How many drivers does a buggy have?
    One.
    So let's just say I'm drivin' this buggy...
    and if you fix your attitude you can ride along with me.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekiIMh4ZkM

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    So which one should I get...the Chorus matching one, or the cheapest 11s FD, the Athena, that costs more than 2x less ?

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    We just don’t realize the most significant moments of our lives when they’re happening
    Back then I thought “well there'll be other days”
    I didn’t realize that was the only day
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9yrupye7B0

    There's sometimes a buggy.
    How many drivers does a buggy have?
    One.
    So let's just say I'm drivin' this buggy...
    and if you fix your attitude you can ride along with me.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekiIMh4ZkM

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    I think so, yes, thank you all for your time, I appreciate.My last question will be for the 10 speed Record QS shifters.Can the newer design Veloce work with multiple upshifts and downshifts, or do I need a Choris / Record 10s RD for that ?
    I remember people stocking, when the Centaur Ultra shift brifters were discontinued.Many people said they bought a few pairs, that will last for long years to come.I plan to do the same, and buy at least 2 pairs of Record 10s shifters.But 2x Veloce RD is far cheaper than 2x Record Titaniun RD...?

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    Can the newer design Veloce work with multiple upshifts and downshifts,
    .

    I just answered this question.

    To expand on this though, I'm going to argue that there are benefits to the "one upshift per push" Veloce or Athena shifters.

    With Chorus when I want 2 upshifts, I push and hope I did it enough. With Veloce I push the button twice quickly, and I'm certain.
    We just don’t realize the most significant moments of our lives when they’re happening
    Back then I thought “well there'll be other days”
    I didn’t realize that was the only day
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9yrupye7B0

    There's sometimes a buggy.
    How many drivers does a buggy have?
    One.
    So let's just say I'm drivin' this buggy...
    and if you fix your attitude you can ride along with me.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekiIMh4ZkM

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    So, I guess it comes down to habits...I can upshift 2, 3, 4 or 5 times ( especially on those nasty short uphills after a descend, following another, and another descend and uphill ), with no error at all.It is intuitive for me, like second nature, I cannot live without it.Before the Chorus, I had Ultegra ( yuck !!! nervous, not smooth shifting ).
    I have read dozens of reviews on wiggle.com from customers, who bought Veloce, and felt sorry for skimping - they say Chorus shifts lovely and positive, and Veloce is not durable - the ratchet fails easily in a year or two.Some customers said they have broken a second set of shifters.

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    I have read dozens of reviews on wiggle.com from customers, who bought Veloce, and felt sorry for skimping
    Total rubbish. Wrong. Troll talk. Bye.

    Campagnolo Veloce Power Shift 10 Speed Ergopower Lever Set Reviews | Gear Levers & Shifters Reviews | wiggle.com
    We just don’t realize the most significant moments of our lives when they’re happening
    Back then I thought “well there'll be other days”
    I didn’t realize that was the only day
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9yrupye7B0

    There's sometimes a buggy.
    How many drivers does a buggy have?
    One.
    So let's just say I'm drivin' this buggy...
    and if you fix your attitude you can ride along with me.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekiIMh4ZkM

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    I am so sorry, sir, but I am no troll at all, and I did not mean to offend anyone, let alone people who are helping me with advices.Don`t forget that I am not a native English speaker...I do not remember all the reviews I have read, as I browsed reviews through dozens of online shops, but here is one of them :

    Campagnolo Veloce Power-Shift 10sp Ergo Shifters | Chain Reaction Cycles

    And about Power Shift, I have read some bad reviews, compared to Chorus / Record, on Wiggle, but it was about Centaur, so my bad...1.jpg2.jpg

    If I browse more, I will find more, but again, I do not mean to offend anyone.And I do not find those reviews on Wiggle anymore - I remember reading them years ago, so they totally must have been about the previous version that did not have this style of thumb shifters :-) I have nothing against Veloce, I totally love the design of the black RD, I prefer it to Record Carbon any day ! This is why I asked in the thread if it is a fit companion for the Record shifters.I apologize for any inconvenience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerjulio View Post
    .

    I just answered this question.

    To expand on this though, I'm going to argue that there are benefits to the "one upshift per push" Veloce or Athena shifters.

    With Chorus when I want 2 upshifts, I push and hope I did it enough. With Veloce I push the button twice quickly, and I'm certain.
    Maybe the action on the newer stuff is different (more Shimano-like). I have two bikes with mid-2000 Centaur ergo-power and doing multiple shifts is very reliable and consistent. However, I suspect the action on the older levers is much stiffer and more deliberate than the new stuff. I have newer Athena and Veloce (one shift) and I really do miss doing multiple shifts with these. I think it is especially beneficial with Compact set-ups when a shift in the front requires multiple shifts in the rear

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    Thanks for the input, Mr Dave.I have Chorus 9 speed shifters from 1998 ( pointy hoods ), that were rebuild in the UK service centre of Campagnolo, to work with post-2000 RD.So I guess they are close to your shifters.And yes, I use a compact, but found the 16t gap ridiculous, and I changed to a Rotor NoQ 46t chainring.And I am buying a Specialites TA Zephyr chainring ( 33T ) for 110 BCD, to squeeze every bit of granny gear I can.This is how I can stay most of the time in the 46t, and only occasionaly would I drop down to the smaller chainring.I have a short cage RD from 1998 that is not a good match for my rebuilded shifters ( that are problematic and still skip shifts ), and the situation is awful.I have made only 500 miles so far and I will ride the damn thing until its spring fall to the ground ( like they did last time, before the rebuild.I bought them used and clocked about 9500 miles on them ).

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    Hello, gents...I have been busy, assembling and expensive bike, and now my questions still stand...I have just had the wonderful idea of combining Chorus 11 speed shifters, 2015 or later, with the new Potenza RD and 11-32 cassette, as I do not like the Powershift mechanism and I do not want the Potenza shifters.Since I do not bike much, and the parts will not see heavy use, I will not have to replace them often and maybe the cost is acceptable.Do you think this will work, or should I get the new 2017 shiters that are claimed to be compatible with all 11 speed groups from Campagnolo ?

    https://www.bike-components.de/en/Ca...l-2017-p49945/

    https://www.bike-components.de/en/Ca...l-2017-p49925/

    https://www.bike-components.de/en/Ca...griffe-p41098/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fixt00l View Post
    ...I have just had the wonderful idea of combining Chorus 11 speed shifters, 2015 or later, with the new Potenza RD and 11-32 cassette ... Do you think this will work,
    You are not the only person to have this wonderful idea. I have seen at least one other person ask the same question. I am interested as well. But I have not seen an answer. I think your only choices are
    - ask Campagnolo this question; or
    - buy the components and try it; or
    - wait until someone else tries it and gives us a report.

    I think Campagnolo is on summer shutdown at the moment, but I expect they will open again in September, so you might have to wait a while for an answer. Campagnolo Italy has been pretty helpful to me in the past.

    If you get an answer please let us know!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CheapSkate View Post
    You are not the only person to have this wonderful idea. I have seen at least one other person ask the same question. I am interested as well. But I have not seen an answer. I think your only choices are
    - ask Campagnolo this question; or
    - buy the components and try it; or
    - wait until someone else tries it and gives us a report.

    I think Campagnolo is on summer shutdown at the moment, but I expect they will open again in September, so you might have to wait a while for an answer. Campagnolo Italy has been pretty helpful to me in the past.

    If you get an answer please let us know!!!
    I asked this question a week or two ago. After some reading on Campy's site I got the "impression" that they were not compatible. I decided just to buy a complete Potenza group and live with Powershift. If someone wants to lend me some Chorus shifters, I would be happy to test it

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    @DaveG, I'd be very interested in a review of Potenza, in particular how that funny new RD performs with the "Embrace" widget inside it. And the self extractor on the crank - does it change the Q factor? And how you get on with the single click Powershift. And how is FD trim? And any weight weenie stuff you care to measure. And.... well everything really, you get the idea! Cheers [/thread hijack]

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    Quote Originally Posted by CheapSkate View Post
    @DaveG, I'd be very interested in a review of Potenza, in particular how that funny new RD performs with the "Embrace" widget inside it. And the self extractor on the crank - does it change the Q factor? And how you get on with the single click Powershift. And how is FD trim? And any weight weenie stuff you care to measure. And.... well everything really, you get the idea! Cheers [/thread hijack]
    I will post a review once I get it assembled. I did pull out all the components and weigh them on a triple beam balance. Here are the actual weights I measured

    Bottom Bracket cups (English) 70
    Crankset (175) 778
    brakes 318
    chain 260
    shifters (with cables) 403
    front derailleur 96
    rear derailleur (medium cage) 211
    11-32t cassette 338

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    I am glad I am not boring all of you, forum members :-) I got the idea, looking at the Surly website, their touring bikes with 46 cm chainstays use Microshift bar-end shifters.Surly insist that they have the best longevity, reliability and simple maintenance.The German website lists both 10 and 11 speed versions.Somehow I want the 11 speed ones to be backwards compatible with 2015 and newer 10 speed drivetrains, so I can upgrade anytime, or in an emergency...
    About Potenza, I also thought of Chorus shifters, and Potenza everything else...this is a win-win situation, since Potenza`s RD is significantly cheaper...I am not sure if I can life with the fugly thumb button desing, thought.I never change gears from the drops, this is a very dumb idea for non-racing, non-professional cycling.

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    @DaveG

    I am also intrigued whether it is truly not compatible with 2015 and earlier stuff. I compared the RD photos on the Campag website and it does look to me like the parallelogram is longer & cable attachment point has moved... but it's hard to say.

    If you get a moment to slap your Potenza RD on a 2015 or earlier setup (10s or 11s) I'd be really interested in the results!!

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    Sorry, double post...
    Last edited by Fixt00l; 04-22-2018 at 12:49 PM. Reason: double post

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    Hello! I am back - a high-speed crash threw me out of the sport for a long time, and I am still recovering. It was totally my fault, as I had been warned about that descent :-( I quite hope you all are doing OK, without accidents / injuries. I now have more questions, since Campagnolo has introduced affordable 11s options. So the question should I go for 10s, or 11s remains...
    This time I want to do the best for my bike, so no skimping. All my option are within the budget, and I do not ride that much, so money would not be a problem. I realized that only when I get the best possible scenario, only then will I ride, instead of reading forums everyday. I currently have a Centaur ITA BB (the shorter Chorus BB made the chainset rub in the frame), a PZ Racing Carbon CT chainset with 34 /46, and a Veloce 9s 13-26 in the back, and the short cage 9s RD from 1998. The Chorus shifters from 1998 had been rebuilt and are now upgradeable to 10s, I mated them to the spectacular TRP CX 8.4 Sram / Campagnolo mini V-brakes. The Chorus RD had been checked in the UK service centre and the pulleys had been replaced. This setup has about 1000 miles on it. So it looks like I have 3 options :

    1. Do not upgrade - just ride some 10 000 miles, until my repaired, like-new setup totally wears out. A local coach insist that for Audax, a 34x26 on a 11 kg bike is totally fine even for a 10-mile steep climb. He even insists that I HTFU, climbing at 34x15. By the way, I will buy the TA Specialites 33t inner ring :-)

    2. Send the right lever to the UK service centre, to be upgraded to 10sp. This will match the two Chorus CT FDs that I own ( I bought two, so I can have a spare one ). And buy the Veloce RD in medium cage, and a 13-29. Not a big upgrade over the 9s 13-26, it will only add a 29t cog, nothing else. The local team coach recommends it instead of the 12-30, as the gradation of the easier gears is closer than on the 12-30. All in all, HTFU again :-) I tried my 9s Chorus levers with a 10s Veloce RD, and the Ultrashift worked fine. In some forums, experts claim the Power Shift RDs have a weaker spring that returns differently, and shifting would decrease over time ? The local coach insists tourist should not use Ultrashift, they should HTFU, and improve cadence and muscular power by carefully shifting 1 gear at a time, and avoid stressing the legs. I know a quite a fast local rider with a very high-end Cippolini with SR11, who also does not use the Ultrashift feature. On the other hand, I tried on other bikes the Veloce Ultrashift levers, and the Centaur 10s Power-shifts...and those smaller buttons are not my cup of tea. I am perfectly aware of the advantages of those affordable shifters, but I do not like them.

    3. The more future-proof option is to either buy Potenza 11s levers, medium cage RD and chain, and Centaur 12-32 cassette ( it has the 16T that the 11-32 lacks ). Some people report this is the best shifting mechanical groupset that Campagnolo has to offer. Only that I do not know if that setup will work with the TRP CX 8.4 brakes, the 10s chainset with the 10s Chorus CT FD, and the Centaur 115.5 BB... Or buy Chorus 11s shifters and a medium cage Chorus HO RD for the 12-32 for better shifting quality ( not using the Ultra-shift feature ).

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