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    New bike arrived with internal cables misrouted - best fix?

    [refraining from naming names of MFG and seller until they have a chance to respond and advise]

    My new bike arrived "helpfully" partially pre-assembled with the rear/right side shift cable routed to the right side of the headtube, and the front/left side shift cable routed to the left side of the frame. Because the housings don't cross over, the bends are of course extremely tight, to the point that the housings will kink at the cable adjusters if I try to slot them back in there.

    The cable routing is internal, and unfortunately I don't know if this frame has any kind of internal guides, but I can tell based on the cable guides at the BB that the housing is not continuous. I can of course cut the crimps and try to use some tubing to chase the cables and then thread them back through... but I don't have tubing on hand and really don't want to deal with the internal routing if I don't have to.

    So the question is, is there any way to flip flop the cables without have to pull them all the way back to the adjusters? My guess is no, but I'm hoping somehow I can actually get the barrels out of Ultegra 6800 levers without having to thread them through. Retaping a bar is way easier than fishing for cables.

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    Nope, not that I am aware of - gonna have to pull them out. I use a rare earth magnet to guide cables through a frame works great on Carbon anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohio415 View Post
    So the question is, is there any way to flip flop the cables without have to pull them all the way back to the adjusters?
    Nope. You gotta pull them.

    I can of course cut the crimps and try to use some tubing to chase the cables and then thread them back through... but I don't have tubing on hand and really don't want to deal with the internal routing if I don't have to.
    Get some tubing. It's good to have on hand when you want to replace cables. It takes 2 seconds to replace the cable when you've chased it with tubing. It's the easiest method.
    Go to your LBS, they probably have tons of it that they throw away. It comes in all new frames.
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    I used to do the magnet thing but the cable housing liner method is way easier.

    You don't need 30 meters worth, but what you want is a piece of this :

    Jagwire Black Housing Liner 30 Meter Roll, Fits up to 1.8mm Cables https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0029LF1XO...cew3DbNEBCQ921

    Also don't be so sure the cabling was done on the wrong side. In some cases rear can be right and front can be left... but possibly they goofed on housing length.
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    Got the response from the seller, and they're insistent that its the proper setup. Not that it matters since there isn't anything they could do to sort it out (not going to send the bike back over this, and don't need replacement parts), EXCEPT use higher quality adjusters. The adjusters on the bike have such shallow overlap with the housing that coupled with the tight bend, there is no way they'll work. The housings pull out and kink even when the cable is fully installed and tensioned.

    Probably not surprising to anyone, but it's a Kestrel Ter-X Ultegra from Bikes Direct. FWIW, the frame looks great and the price was ridiculously good. So if the only part that was too good to be true is their assembly, I'll take that. But I am frustrated that they're insistent that its routed correctly. Will attach pics from phone in next reply.

    Will grab some liner/hose (and maybe some better adjusters) from the LBS on my way home tonight and fix it.

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    Two pics of the setup as it arrived, untensioned (note the filthy cable... ugh), and one with the cables clamped in the derailleurs and tensioned - the kinks and the housings inability to sit within the short adjusters are obvious.





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    Quote Originally Posted by ohio415 View Post
    Two pics of the setup as it arrived, untensioned (note the filthy cable... ugh), and one with the cables clamped in the derailleurs and tensioned - the kinks and the housings inability to sit within the short adjusters are obvious.


    You're doing something wrong w/ those photos. I don't see anything on the post but I can read the code as I'm replying/quoting your post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohio415 View Post
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    Probably not surprising to anyone, but it's a Kestrel Ter-X Ultegra from Bikes Direct. FWIW, the frame looks great and the price was ridiculously good. ....
    Hey, you cheaped out and bought a bike from BD. That's one of the reasons why they are cheap; they hire unqualified people to 'build' the bikes. If you wanted perfection, you should've gone to a BIKE SHOP. Now, you're just going to have to fix their mistakes.

    Probably cuts down on that "deal" you thought you were getting, doesn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    You're doing something wrong w/ those photos. I don't see anything on the post but I can read the code as I'm replying/quoting your post.
    Hmmm, did an upload/attach vs link, and I can see them on my screen. Not sure why it wouldn't show up on yours...

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    Kestrel typically supplies blue tubing for this, I bet you missed it in the box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohio415 View Post
    Hmmm, did an upload/attach vs link, and I can see them on my screen. Not sure why it wouldn't show up on yours...
    None of us can see the photos except you, unfortunately. Could be site or account privilege thing. Can you remote host the pictures somewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohio415 View Post
    Hmmm, did an upload/attach vs link, and I can see them on my screen. Not sure why it wouldn't show up on yours...
    Of course you can, it's your computer. Upload them to imgur.com and link to them. Very easy, very reliable.
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    Weird. I guess the vbulletin implementation is different here? I assumed once I uploaded an image it was hosted on RBR servers, not just linked to my harddrive... anyway, up on imgur now.
    And here it is after routing them properly and replacing the shitty adjusters this evening. So obviously better. Especially since the rear brake hose runs across, it was obviously the designers intent for the cables to cross the HT. Also, whatever was on the cables collecting lint in all of the exposed areas took some serious solvent to remove. Like dried linseed oil or clearcoat almost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Time Toulouse View Post
    Hey, you cheaped out and bought a bike from BD. That's one of the reasons why they are cheap; they hire unqualified people to 'build' the bikes. If you wanted perfection, you should've gone to a BIKE SHOP. Now, you're just going to have to fix their mistakes.

    Probably cuts down on that "deal" you thought you were getting, doesn't it?
    Yeah, and that will probably cost you $75 at the LBS, when you could have spent $1000 more there to achieve perfection.

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    Looks much better now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmile View Post
    Kestrel typically supplies blue tubing for this, I bet you missed it in the box.
    They include something similar to the hose liner that I used for running the cables? I still have the box and don't see it in there. I'm assuming since the frame came fully (but incorrectly) assembled that it wasn't included. Anyway, it wasn't that big of a deal. A stop at my LBS (thanks Mike's Bikes of SF!), and extra $20 spent, and an hour of my time and I have the bike I wanted.

    I half posted because I thought maybe I was missing something and maybe modern road bikes route to the same side??

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    Some bikes do route to same side.

    I have a Fuji Cross where rear shifter routes to right side although rear brake routes to left.

    Glad you got your situation sorted out, looks like you probably have some steerer tube to have cut once you dial in your position on the bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    Of course you can, it's your computer. Upload them to imgur.com and link to them. Very easy, very reliable.
    Not always. Around where I live, there is a major university/medical center which has wi-fi locations all over town. Good quality wi-fi, but for some reason they consider Imgur as a purveyor of pornographic images, and block them all.
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