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    Shimano 8000 Ultegra and 130 mm spacing

    Can you use the newer 11 sp Shimano gear with a 130 mm spaced frame?

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    Is the frame steel? If it's steel, then you can gently spread the stays to accommodate a 135 spaced hub. If it's aluminum, then probably not. 8000 needs 135mm spacing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frdfandc View Post
    Is the frame steel? If it's steel, then you can gently spread the stays to accommodate a 135 spaced hub. If it's aluminum, then probably not. 8000 needs 135mm spacing.
    It's steel. Just need to find someone I trust to do the work on my Seven. Should have bought some 10 speed Dura STI brifters 5 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillMX View Post
    Can you use the newer 11 sp Shimano gear with a 130 mm spaced frame?
    Why not?
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    Do you mean 126mm, or 135mm spacing, because that hub is spaced for 130mm
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    I'm not up to date on all the new tech.

    I have an approximately 12-year-old Dura-Ace 10-speed group. I think it is the 7800 series. I have a dead right shifter and weighing my options. Try to track down a shifter set or replace it with Ultegra 8000 series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frdfandc View Post
    Is the frame steel? If it's steel, then you can gently spread the stays to accommodate a 135 spaced hub. If it's aluminum, then probably not. 8000 needs 135mm spacing.
    No.

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    I'm not up to date on all the new tech.

    I have an approximately 12-year-old Dura-Ace 10-speed group. I think it is the 7800 series. I have a dead right shifter and weighing my options. Try to track down a shifter set or replace it with Ultegra 8000 series.
    No idea why you're concerned about it working in your frame. You do need to have a wheel that's 11 speed compatible but ALL modern drivetrains (rim brake, not disc) from 8 speed to 12 work on hubs that are 130mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frdfandc View Post
    Is the frame steel? If it's steel, then you can gently spread the stays to accommodate a 135 spaced hub. If it's aluminum, then probably not. 8000 needs 135mm spacing.
    I have been running a 135mm hub on a Scandium/Aluminum 130mm frame for 20 years, no problems. (Mt. Bike hub on a CX frame) Just took a little derailluer tweaking to get right.

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    As far as I know, all rim brake road bikes that used 8, 9, 10 and 11 speed cassettes have 130mm hub spacing. 135mm spacing is on rim brake 8 and 9 speed mountain and some hybrid and touring bikes.

    Shimano 8000 is a road group - 130mm spacing.

    As CX said, if your freehub is only 8, 9, 10 speed, that will need to be changed. Pull the cassette off and check how many spacers there are under it - check the bottom of cassette too as sometimes they stick there when you remove the cassette. This will indicate if your freehub is compatible.
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    It is a 10sp freehub body, so it looks like I should be fine using 11sp cassette on it as is.

    Thanks for the input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillMX View Post
    It is a 10sp freehub body, so it looks like I should be fine using 11sp cassette on it as is.

    Thanks for the input.
    No, you haven't understood what we've been posting since yesterday. A 10 speed freehub will NOT take an 11 speed cassette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillMX View Post
    It is a 10sp freehub body, so it looks like I should be fine using 11sp cassette on it as is.

    Thanks for the input.
    An 8, 9 and 10 speed freehub body are the same length. Each time speeds were increased, the cogs each became narrower.

    However, 10 speed cassette cogs are as narrow as is practical. So when 11 speed came along, the spacing was nearly the same as a 10 speed. As a result, the cassette and freehub are longer.

    So no, an 11 speed cassette will not fit on a 10 speed freehub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post

    So no, an 11 speed cassette will not fit on a 10 speed freehub.
    I think Mavic 10 speed hubs are longer and use a spacer (in addition to the Shimano one that comes with the cassette) and 11 can be used by just removing it. Not positive OP but check if you have an extra spacer if you have Mavic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Strongbow View Post
    I think Mavic 10 speed hubs are longer and use a spacer (in addition to the Shimano one that comes with the cassette) and 11 can be used by just removing it. Not positive OP but check if you have an extra spacer if you have Mavic.
    This is correct. Mavic made their wheels (like Ksyriums) for 8/9/10 speed, but also for campag (with a campag free hub). So the free hub space for shimano/sram was longer, and always had an extra spacer. So to go from 10spd to 11spd on my ksyriums, I just removed the mavic spacer. This should be the same on many hubs that were spaced to allow the use of a campag or shimano/sram free hub.

    However, Shimano now sells an 11 speed cassette that is like an 11-34 or maybe 11-36, that runs on 10 speed free hubs. (Cyclingtips had an article about it, and a friend bought one for his CK Classic hubs). Chris King Classic road hubs were 8/9/10 speed, but not 11 ... until now. Provided you want a 34t as the big one.

    You don't have 7800 hubs with the extra tall splines that only work with 7800 cassettes though, right? If that's the case, then you're done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SNS1938 View Post
    You don't have 7800 hubs with the extra tall splines that only work with 7800 cassettes though, right? If that's the case, then you're done.
    No, I have a different hub brand, can't remember the name of it right now. I believe it was Mavic compatible. All of the docs were lost during a move.

    From the sounds of it, at best I change the freehub body, at worst I have them re-lace the wheel with an 11-speed hub.

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    Sorry guys, got my hub spacing mixed up. Was thinking MTB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frdfandc View Post
    Sorry guys, got my hub spacing mixed up. Was thinking MTB.
    Can we staple you in the face now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
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    I need a 135mm rim brake wheel and got real excited when I heard Ultegra was 135. Now it’s back to sadness and despair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
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    Sure, why not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frdfandc View Post
    Sure, why not.
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    First you say the hub was Shimano 8000, then you say it's a different hub brand, but you can't remember.....Are you confused, or are you trolling us????
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    I just decided to say eff it and buy new wheels to go with the new group.

    A big thanks to frdfandc, Jay Strongbow, Lombard, SNS1938 and rideit for trying to be helpful.

    Grumpy and cxwrench can go back to their crotchety old man shtick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillMX View Post
    I just decided to say eff it and buy new wheels to go with the new group.
    Which wheels are you going to get?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillMX View Post
    Grumpy and cxwrench can go back to their crotchety old man shtick.
    CX and Grumpy, while rough around the edges, can actually be very helpful. Once you get to know them, they are like soft cuddly bunnies.
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