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    SRAM Shifters with Shimano Derailleurs

    Will SRAM Force 10 speed shifters work with Shimano Dura Ace 10 speed derailleurs? Thanks.

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    SRAM Shifters with Shimano Derailleurs

    Nope. Different cable pull.
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    I suspected that would be the case. I bought a set of Force 2012 shifters to replace a broken one. I was thinking of buying a Dura Ace 11 speed group and selling the SRAM shifters to a buddy who rides Dura Ace 10 speed. He needs new shifters and is shocked buy the cost of Dura Ace 7800 10 speed shifters.
    Now I'm wondering if my 2012 SRAM levers will even work with my older (circa 2010) SRAM group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markmaxwell View Post
    Now I'm wondering if my 2012 SRAM levers will even work with my older (circa 2010) SRAM group.
    I know of no reason why they wouldn't.

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    SRAM Shifters with Shimano Derailleurs

    That's a negative bud, I get this question all the time at work. SRAM and Shimano use different pull ratios in their shifters and dérailleurs so they're no cross compatible,
    Last edited by lindsaywollin; 12-26-2013 at 01:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindsaywollin View Post
    That's a negative bud, I get this question all the time at work. SRAM and Shimano use different pull ratios in their shifters and dérailleurs so they're no cross compatible
    Pretty sure this question was answered correctly 3 times a week ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    Pretty sure this question was answered correctly 3 times a week ago.
    Sorry man, didn't realise it was a federal crime to offer my opinion on a post whether its been answered or not, some people like a little bit of logic and reasoning behind an answer rather than a flat out no

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    Quote Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    Pretty sure this question was answered correctly 3 times a week ago.
    Answered 3 times a week ago, yes.
    Were the answers concise? Negative.

    I don't know about you but when someone tells me no; I'd like to know why. That way I, and anyone else reading the thread, learns something (last time I checked, that was the point of forums).

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    Alright lads, lets make this concise. The SRAM and Shimano dérailleurs use different anchor points on their dérailleurs, the Shimano ones are on the back of the derailleur whereas the SRAM cable anchors on the bottom, this resulting in different amounts of leverage required to shift gears. Now, SRAM shifters account for this whereas Shimano shifters account for the required leverage to operate their dérailleurs. These ratios need to be perfect to allow crisp, fast shifting. If you guys are bored and know how to tune gears. Unscrew your anchor bolt on your rear derailleur, take your cable out of the recess that its supposed to sit in, and anchor it directly under the head of the bolt instead, now try to tune your gears perfectly. It won't happen. This is what I mean by the ratios have to be dead right. By just moving that cable to another angle completely throws the leverage ratios

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindsaywollin View Post
    Alright lads, lets make this concise. The SRAM and Shimano dérailleurs use different anchor points on their dérailleurs, the Shimano ones are on the back of the derailleur whereas the SRAM cable anchors on the bottom, this resulting in different amounts of leverage required to shift gears. Now, SRAM shifters account for this whereas Shimano shifters account for the required leverage to operate their dérailleurs. These ratios need to be perfect to allow crisp, fast shifting. If you guys are bored and know how to tune gears. Unscrew your anchor bolt on your rear derailleur, take your cable out of the recess that its supposed to sit in, and anchor it directly under the head of the bolt instead, now try to tune your gears perfectly. It won't happen. This is what I mean by the ratios have to be dead right. By just moving that cable to another angle completely throws the leverage ratios
    I was trying to say that your first answer was more concise than the other 3 but thank you for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kontradictions View Post
    I was trying to say that your first answer was more concise than the other 3 but thank you for that.
    Hahaha my bad, it's early in the morning, I didn't read it properly

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossracer View Post
    Nope. Different cable pull.
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    Doesn't this answer the question well enough? Does everyone need to know the exact relationship between cable pull and derailleur movement for each brand when knowing that they're different and not cross-compatible tells you what you need to know?
    Quote Originally Posted by kontradictions View Post
    Answered 3 times a week ago, yes.
    Were the answers concise? Negative.

    I don't know about you but when someone tells me no; I'd like to know why. That way I, and anyone else reading the thread, learns something (last time I checked, that was the point of forums).
    Most forums include a pretty good search function as well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lindsaywollin View Post
    Hahaha my bad, it's early in the morning, I didn't read it properly
    No worries. It was a really interesting read.

    Quote Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    Most forums include a pretty good search function as well...
    Agreed but it's a bit disheartening to see a response to a thread and all you see is a single word response. A link to an existing thread would be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    Doesn't this answer the question well enough? Does everyone need to know the exact relationship between cable pull and derailleur movement for each brand when knowing that they're different and not cross-compatible tells you what you need to know?
    Geez my bad for sharing my knowledge and expertise, like I said some people like a bit of in depth logic and reasoning behind an answer. That way they're informed as to why they don't work rather than semi informed

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossracer View Post
    Nope. Different cable pull.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kontradictions View Post
    Answered 3 times a week ago, yes.
    Were the answers concise? Negative.

    I don't know about you but when someone tells me no; I'd like to know why. That way I, and anyone else reading the thread, learns something (last time I checked, that was the point of forums).
    Quote Originally Posted by lindsaywollin View Post
    Geez my bad for sharing my knowledge and expertise, like I said some people like a bit of in depth logic and reasoning behind an answer. That way they're informed as to why they don't work rather than semi informed
    Sorry I'm not providing the same level of information as you, but after being on this board for 10 years, I can say most people wouldn't know what to make of the information, but if they're told it won't work and why in basic terms they're fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    f they're told it won't work and why in basic terms they're fine.
    I support the short, little or explanation answer and the OP should just accept it, or if not accepting the answer, then he/she should not respond but simply try out whatever they are questioning and learn the hard way. Thus we're all saved the subsequent trite back & forth

    More importantly, once the correct short answer is posted the rest of us should move on too. This would tidy up this whole Forum.

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    I use the 2012 sram red shifters with an ultegra front deraileuueur and it works. I had researched this 2 years ago when I'd built it up and had read that it would work. Infact it was considered a better setup than the sram front deriluereur for some reason.
    The ultegra front derialeuur is now broken but goes. It weighs a ton and has all that weight in some place other than where needed it seems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hummina shadeeba View Post
    the haters need to go ride..or work on some professional's bike again.

    I use the 2012 sram red shifters with an ultegra front deraileuueur and it works. I had researched this 2 years ago when I'd built it up and had read that it would work. Infact it was considered a better setup than the sram front deriluereur for some reason.
    The ultegra front derialeuur is now broken but goes. It weighs a ton and has all that weight in some place other than where needed it seems.
    Just to be clear, the discussion thus far has been talking about rear derailleurs, not front derailleurs.

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    I appreciate all the info provided in this thread. I've decided to ditch SRAM and Shimano altogether and go back to my first love, Campagnolo. I've heard the difference between Campy 11 and Shimano 11 cassette spacing is so negligible that you can run Shimano or SRAM 11 cassettes with Campy shifters and derailleurs. I have a White Industries T11 rear wheel that I've been using with a SRAM Force 10 group. From what I've read from Zinn you can run a Shimano or SRAM 11 speed cassette with Campy 11 shifters and derailleurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hummina shadeeba View Post
    I use the 2012 sram red shifters with an ultegra front deraileuueur and it works. I had researched this 2 years ago when I'd built it up and had read that it would work. Infact it was considered a better setup than the sram front deriluereur for some reason.
    The ultegra front derialeuur is now broken but goes. It weighs a ton and has all that weight in some place other than where needed it seems.

    Decided to delete that "haters" comment, eh?
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    if you'd like we can put it back? callin it as I see it..but figured you got enough flak on here already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossracer View Post
    Nope. Different cable pull.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kontradictions View Post
    Answered 3 times a week ago, yes.
    Were the answers concise? Negative.

    I don't know about you but when someone tells me no; I'd like to know why. That way I, and anyone else reading the thread, learns something (last time I checked, that was the point of forums).
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    if you'd like we can put it back? callin it as I see it..but figured you got enough flak on here already.
    You do whatever floats your boat. I obviously do the same thing, so it doesn't bother me at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hummina shadeeba View Post
    if you'd like we can put it back? callin it as I see it..but figured you got enough flak on here already.
    Pretty argumentative aren't you?

    Or are you just pissed you can't afford one of those snazzy bikes you're trash talking in your other thread...
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    have a nice day
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