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    Felt 2015

    I am about to buy a Felt z5 and wondering if I should wait few mos for felt 2015 and see how does the line up look esp with new shimano 105 5800 arrival.
    I can wait for few months.

    Probably, too early to talk about Felt 2015 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dd123 View Post
    I am about to buy a Felt z5 and wondering if I should wait few mos for felt 2015 and see how does the line up look esp with new shimano 105 5800 arrival.
    I can wait for few months.

    Probably, too early to talk about Felt 2015 ?

    Thanks
    Personally I wouldn't wait 6 months for 11 speed 105. However, I do want Ultegra Di2. I seriously hope they finally put out a bike this year with 6870 on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dd123 View Post
    I am about to buy a Felt z5 and wondering if I should wait few mos for felt 2015 and see how does the line up look esp with new shimano 105 5800 arrival.
    I can wait for few months.

    Probably, too early to talk about Felt 2015 ?

    Thanks
    11 speed 105 won't be available for a few more months and it will come at a premium. If you want that extra click you'll have to pay for it. 2014 Z would be a great bike and the frame will be unchanged in '15.

    The only thing that might have me waiting as a consumer is the Z-disc option such as the all new 2015 Z2 Disc we showed off at Sea Otter last week. Of course the brakes have a considerable cost increase over the caliper brakes on the rim-brake equipped models.

    -SD

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    Thanks Dave and Chudak,
    Don't care about disc brakes.. so would be getting the Z5 only..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperdaveFelt View Post
    11 speed 105 won't be available for a few more months and it will come at a premium. If you want that extra click you'll have to pay for it. 2014 Z would be a great bike and the frame will be unchanged in '15.

    -SD
    Dave,

    I'm curious why you say it will come at a premium. The 5800 group was listed at $850 and the 5700 can be found for $500 currently, but was originally listed at $1000.

    -JV

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChemicalreAgent View Post
    Dave,

    I'm curious why you say it will come at a premium. The 5800 group was listed at $850 and the 5700 can be found for $500 currently, but was originally listed at $1000.

    -JV
    Among the reasons that the 5800 series equipped 2015 Z5 will be more expensive than the 2014 model with 5700 shifters and derailleurs is that the components cost more.

    We do not source the Shimano parts from the internet so our costs are controlled directly by Shimano's OEM pricing, not online sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperdaveFelt View Post
    Among the reasons that the 5800 series equipped 2015 Z5 will be more expensive than the 2014 model with 5700 shifters and derailleurs is that the components cost more.

    We do not source the Shimano parts from the internet so our costs are controlled directly by Shimano's OEM pricing, not online sales.

    -SD
    I understand the sourcing part, but I'd surprised if Shimano raises the cost much more than what a 10 speed 105 group is. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of 105 being their value groupset?

    And I don't want it to seem like I'm ragging on you, I'm just trying to understand the industry and you are the most available/responsive person I can think of.

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    I don't work in the industry so I can only guess but here is my take:

    The costs of 105 have likely decreased over the last few years from an OEM standpoint as the group gets farther from initial release. The 5800 group release will consequently reset the price index compared to the cost of equipping the same bike with 5700. Hence the "premium".

    Even if the above wasn't true and the costs held steady for the last few years. The manufacturer can't get the same price, even on OEM sales, for 5700 as it can for 5800 now that 5800 is out. Hence a bike with 5700 will be cheaper than 5800 going forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChemicalreAgent View Post
    I understand the sourcing part, but I'd surprised if Shimano raises the cost much more than what a 10 speed 105 group is. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of 105 being their value groupset?

    And I don't want it to seem like I'm ragging on you, I'm just trying to understand the industry and you are the most available/responsive person I can think of.
    Indeed, some Z5 items have not changed in price. Front derailleurs, 4-bolt cranksets, 11 speed chains and cassettes, and hubs have. From a broader perspective a strong NT$/yen/weak US dollar can have a greater affect on mid-to-high end bikes than model year component updates.

    -SD

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    Hello SuperDave

    Any ideas if any of the other Z-series models will have an option for disc brakes for 2015? Specifically the Z85 or Z5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mforness3000 View Post
    Hello SuperDave

    Any ideas if any of the other Z-series models will have an option for disc brakes for 2015? Specifically the Z85 or Z5?
    It's a bit early for me to offer additional details beyond what has been leaked at Sea Otter and captured in some race footage of our internal product testing. I can confirm this however:

    The Z85 will remain a rim brake bike for 2015.
    The Z5 will remain a rim brake bike for 2015.

    -SD

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    Thank you SuperD

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    Found the 2015 AR3 on the Felt EU websites, which strangely enough is missing from the US website. Seems like they're getting rid of the EPS in the AR range, and just moving the Ultegra version up, adding 3T components and the vibration reduction seatpost. I'm in the market for a new bike, so hopefully this comes to the US.

    2015 AR3 - Felt Bicycles

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperdaveFelt View Post
    The Z5 will remain a rim brake bike for 2015.

    -SD
    Great news!

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    Will my 2014 Z5 get faster or more fun in 2015?

    Seriously though, any plans for an all steel touring/commuter bike (with drops)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyhawke View Post
    Will my 2014 Z5 get faster or more fun in 2015?
    Seriously though, any plans for an all steel touring/commuter bike (with drops)?
    Not touring per se but we have the F4130 if the geo suits you. Available now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cwoo86 View Post
    Found the 2015 AR3 on the Felt EU websites, which strangely enough is missing from the US website. Seems like they're getting rid of the EPS in the AR range, and just moving the Ultegra version up, adding 3T components and the vibration reduction seatpost. I'm in the market for a new bike, so hopefully this comes to the US.

    2015 AR3 - Felt Bicycles
    2015 Felt AR3 Carbon Aero Road Bike : Ultegra 11 Speed - 700 has a really detailed description - looks like some good changes for 2015:

    "The 2015 Felt AR is 14% more aerodynamic than its predecessor and between 28.7 and 31.1% faster than a standard round tube giving quantifiable power savings and time gains unmatched in the field."

    The text looks like copy that would be released from Felt but I can't find it anywhere else. Price is £2,599.99 ($4500 direct conversion). They have the 2014 AR5 listed as £1,799.00 ($3000 direct conversion) which goes in US for $2500...so maybe $4000 for 2015 AR3 Ultegra?

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    Quote Originally Posted by implicitD View Post
    2015 Felt AR3 Carbon Aero Road Bike : Ultegra 11 Speed - 700 has a really detailed description - looks like some good changes for 2015:

    "The 2015 Felt AR is 14% more aerodynamic than its predecessor and between 28.7 and 31.1% faster than a standard round tube giving quantifiable power savings and time gains unmatched in the field."

    The text looks like copy that would be released from Felt but I can't find it anywhere else. Price is £2,599.99 ($4500 direct conversion). They have the 2014 AR5 listed as £1,799.00 ($3000 direct conversion) which goes in US for $2500...so maybe $4000 for 2015 AR3 Ultegra?
    The AR5 is now in stock and shipping in the USA as well.

    SPEX:

    FRAME: Felt Aero Road UHC Performance carbon fiber, MMC w/
    InsideOut construction, BB30, carbon fiber dropouts, replaceable
    rear derailleur hanger, internal cable routing (electronic compatible)

    FORK: Felt Aero Road UHC Advanced carbon fiber monocoque
    construction, AeroTaper 1.125” --> 1.25” carbon fiber steer tube
    w/ integrated crown race, crown, blades, dropouts

    COMPONENTS: Shimano 105 11-speed STI shifters, Shimano
    105 11-speed derailleurs, Shimano 105 11-speed crankset,
    Shimano 105 11-speed chain & cassette, Felt Aero Road
    VariableShape stem, Felt Vibration Reducing Aero Road flip
    position UHC carbon fiber w/ 3T DiffLock™ Comfort Module
    internals seatpost, Prologo Zero II Ti2.0 saddle, Felt Aero Road R3
    wheels w/ Vittoria Rubino Pro Slick tires

    COLOR: Satin Carbon (Silver, Red)
    SIZES: 48, 51, 54, 56, 58, 61cm
    MSRP: $2599

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperdaveFelt View Post
    The AR5 is now in stock and shipping in the USA as well.

    SPEX:

    FRAME: Felt Aero Road UHC Performance carbon fiber, MMC w/
    InsideOut construction, BB30, carbon fiber dropouts, replaceable
    rear derailleur hanger, internal cable routing (electronic compatible)

    FORK: Felt Aero Road UHC Advanced carbon fiber monocoque
    construction, AeroTaper 1.125” --> 1.25” carbon fiber steer tube
    w/ integrated crown race, crown, blades, dropouts

    COMPONENTS: Shimano 105 11-speed STI shifters, Shimano
    105 11-speed derailleurs, Shimano 105 11-speed crankset,
    Shimano 105 11-speed chain & cassette, Felt Aero Road
    VariableShape stem, Felt Vibration Reducing Aero Road flip
    position UHC carbon fiber w/ 3T DiffLock™ Comfort Module
    internals seatpost, Prologo Zero II Ti2.0 saddle, Felt Aero Road R3
    wheels w/ Vittoria Rubino Pro Slick tires

    COLOR: Satin Carbon (Silver, Red)
    SIZES: 48, 51, 54, 56, 58, 61cm
    MSRP: $2599
    Awesome! That's exactly the build and price I was hoping for...105 crank was a great decision. Please take my money!

    Any word on brake clearance with the Stages power meter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by implicitD View Post
    Awesome! That's exactly the build and price I was hoping for...105 crank was a great decision. Please take my money!

    Any word on brake clearance with the Stages power meter?
    The rear brake from TRP and eecycleworks and another major player in the OEM/aftermarket that will be introduced shortly will all fit and work with the Stages PM on the Shimano crankset. You cannot use the Shimano-made Direct Mount rear brake with the Stages PM, however.

    -SD

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    Hi Dave,

    Are you able to give any idea of availability and pricing of the 2015 AR5 in the UK? It's great that you've swapped out the FSA Omega crankset for the new 4-arm 105 item. Although I'm expecting a price rise from the 2014 AR5's price of £1799.

    Cheers,
    Den
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maglore View Post
    Hi Dave,

    Are you able to give any idea of availability and pricing of the 2015 AR5 in the UK? It's great that you've swapped out the FSA Omega crankset for the new 4-arm 105 item. Although I'm expecting a price rise from the 2014 AR5's price of £1799.

    Cheers,
    Den
    Den,

    I'm afraid my associates at Saddleback would have the latest update on availability on the AR5. They are certainly shipping but I do not know if they've all been sold out on this first shipment yet.

    Your local retailer would have the most accurate price. I'd expect at least a 10% increase with the full 105 kit and 11speed drivetrain.

    -SD

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    I noticed the Z7 is now on the site, but no threaded bb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayNiagara View Post
    I noticed the Z7 is now on the site, but no threaded bb?
    No, not the USA IIRC.

    -SD

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperdaveFelt View Post
    The AR5 is now in stock and shipping in the USA as well.

    SPEX:

    FRAME: Felt Aero Road UHC Performance carbon fiber, MMC w/
    InsideOut construction, BB30, carbon fiber dropouts, replaceable
    rear derailleur hanger, internal cable routing (electronic compatible)

    FORK: Felt Aero Road UHC Advanced carbon fiber monocoque
    construction, AeroTaper 1.125” --> 1.25” carbon fiber steer tube
    w/ integrated crown race, crown, blades, dropouts

    COMPONENTS: Shimano 105 11-speed STI shifters, Shimano
    105 11-speed derailleurs, Shimano 105 11-speed crankset,
    Shimano 105 11-speed chain & cassette, Felt Aero Road
    VariableShape stem, Felt Vibration Reducing Aero Road flip
    position UHC carbon fiber w/ 3T DiffLock™ Comfort Module
    internals seatpost, Prologo Zero II Ti2.0 saddle, Felt Aero Road R3
    wheels w/ Vittoria Rubino Pro Slick tires

    COLOR: Satin Carbon (Silver, Red)
    SIZES: 48, 51, 54, 56, 58, 61cm
    MSRP: $2599
    Are you able to post a picture of the 2015 AR5?

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