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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    This.

    I’m not looking to unlock the engine and speed like a jerk at 50 mph, I still want to pedal and sweat while keeping my hr at 130/150 on the uphills.
    Okay, you want to pedal and sweat and keep your heart rate at 130-150 on the uphills? How does an ebike make this any more likely than riding your regular bike?

    It sounds like you just want to justify buying a new toy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    ...I'm almost 46,busy with family an ride only 7 months per year ( including flu/cold and vacation time) during winter months,each and every year is becoming increasingly difficult to gain a decent fitness... And no,no time to stretch at the gym or whatever else..
    "Wake up earlier. Get a Kickr. Subscribed to Zwift.. there are lots of ways to squeeze in rides."

    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    No.No.And no. I'm not hysterical about cycling and I don't get paid to ride.
    At this point, I haven't a clue what you're talking about - you don't have time, you want to build fitness... I suggest getting up earlier and/or using a trainer, but you're not "hysterical about cycling."

    Dude, NONE of us gets paid to ride. We ride, train, race - whatever, because we love it. If you only want to ride when it's 70 and sunny just embrace the slow and don't blame the weather, your family, your schedule, etc. Just be slow.. and sure, buy that ebike - it'll remind you what fast feels like ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldZaskar View Post


    At this point, I haven't a clue what you're talking about - you don't have time, you want to build fitness... I suggest getting up earlier and/or using a trainer, but you're not "hysterical about cycling."
    He wants free fitness, you know, the kind you don't have to work for.
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    If the guy has reasons that he wants to ride an e-bike, who cares, let him ride whatever he wants without getting grilled about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    He wants free fitness, you know, the kind you don't have to work for.
    The notion that you can't / don't gain fitness by riding an e-bike is based in ignorance.

    You can ride an indoor trainer on near zero resistance and you can ride your road bike at 5 mph on the flats. The thing that keeps you from screwing off is the desire for improved fitness.

    The only thing that is different about an e-bike is that the same amount of rider input with produce higher speeds. It will enhance the journey to fitness is the same way as the other two if the desire is the same.

    What does impede fitness is pissing away precious free time instead of using it to improve the speed and endurance required to accomplish goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwiftSolo View Post
    What does impede fitness is pissing away precious free time instead of using it to improve the speed and endurance required to accomplish goals.
    I think every one of us here in this thread is guilty of this, don't you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    I think every one of us here in this thread is guilty of this, don't you think?
    No question about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    I think every one of us here in this thread is guilty of this, don't you think?
    True dat.
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    My problem is as I get older, I don't recover as fast or as well, as I did even a few years ago. I used to easily manage a 9k mile year. Now, 6k to 7k is far more realistic. I cant do 300 mile weekends every weekend in the summer like I used to. I just need more rest.

    Not specific to that point, but cycling tips has article out that is relevant to this thread.

    E-Road Bikes don't make you faster (unless you are going up a steep hill).

    https://cyclingtips.com/2019/03/opin...ke-you-faster/

    In my case, even if my E-Bike was an electric moped capable of 30mph, I couldn't ride it that fast. My E-Bike commutes are 15 miles on a heavily used MUT. During peak commute time, especially in good weather, there is just too much traffic to be going much over the posted 15mph speed limit. Having a faster bike (or a faster rider) wouldn't make my commutes any faster. This is one of the reasons I opted for a class 2 (25kph) assist cutoff. So I wouldn't be tempted to ride dangerously on the trail (many others do this, much to my disdain).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwiftSolo View Post
    What does impede fitness is pissing away precious free time instead of using it to improve the speed and endurance required to accomplish goals.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    I think every one of us here in this thread is guilty of this, don't you think?
    Speak for yourself. I dictate my posts to my valet while I'm doing intervals on a trainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    No.No.And no. I'm not hysterical about cycling and I don't get paid to ride.
    From Basic Training for Roadies by Fred Matheny: here's a 7 hours a week, weekly schedule that works for many riders:

    Monday: Rest day with 15 minutes of resistance training.
    Tuesday: Ride 1 hour with 3-8 sprints or other short, hard efforts.
    Wednesday: Ride 1 hour at a steady, moderate pace.
    Thursday: Ride 1 hour including about 20 minutes of any type of hard effort.
    Friday: Rest day with 15 minutes of resistance training.
    Saturday: Ride 1 hour at an easy pace.
    Sunday: Ride 3 hours at a varied pace. Group rides or hilly courses are good choices.

    Remember, intensity is one key to this program. If you could ride 200 to 400 miles per week, sheer volume would guarantee a high level of fitness. But you can't.

    At the age of 46, you don't likely have any physical limitations. The only reason for you to get an e-bike would be to keep up on group rides. If riding solo, your HR is totally determined by your effort and all the ebike does is make you go faster. Is the goal only to go faster?

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    I'm seriously thinking of getting a eMBike, if they can make it stealth enough. Trek is suppose to be coming out with a 300w unit, I'd be all in with that.

    I would not allow ebikes on a group ride, unless it is around the lake with the kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwiftSolo View Post
    What does impede fitness is pissing away precious free time instead of using it to improve the speed and endurance required to accomplish goals.
    Are you talking about posting on the forum, or some other worthless porn searches?
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    Most of the people in our club are getting the Giant e-road. Drop bars, Ultegra shifting, 28mph peak speed. But it is aluminum and heavy. Seems a waste to get carbon, just to stick 25lbs of battery and motor on it. They all report that they get a good workout on the e-bike - just as good as their normal bikes. But now they can keep up with their spouses. Most report the benefits are on the hills. In ECO mode, you get about 100 miles on a charge.

    I know what you mean about winter. But consider trying to do training vs the e-bike. If you do High Intensity Interval Training (HIIT) you can get the same benefits of a 2 hour ride in about 60 minutes. Plus research shows that interval training is more engaging than normal spinning. Check out the YouTube videos by CTXC. Free and they have workouts from 20 to 120 minutes. I suggest starting with the 45 minute video which is a bit easier. If you want to save a bit of time, skip the first 5 minutes. The 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 50, and 55 minute videos are much harder. They have shorter warmup, cool down and recovery times. The 60 minute video is also a good starting point. Again, skip the first 5 minutes if you want to save some time. Check out Craigslist or estate sales in your area to pick up a cheap trainer. If you end up finding indoor training acceptable, then invest in something nicer. One last piece of advice, use the trainer as close to outdoors as you can. A balcony, garage (ideally with door open), porch, deck, etc. Keeping cool is critical. If you have to use it indoors, have a fan blowing on you.

    Some of the more elite riders in our club have invested in smart trainers and Zwift. They claim it is very realistic and they can easily put 2 hours on the trainer and still have fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsuv View Post
    ...just to stick 25lbs of battery and motor on it.

    The Shimano STEPS e8000 weighs about 5.5kg

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    Quote Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    He wants free fitness, you know, the kind you don't have to work for.
    My hope is that between robots and e-bikes we can achieve the Utopian future predicted in the Disney film "Wall-E"Anyone riding a seriuos E bike ?-wall-e_2.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsuv View Post
    Some of the more elite riders in our club have invested in smart trainers and Zwift. They claim it is very realistic and they can easily put 2 hours on the trainer and still have fun.

    I recently watched the first few episodes of the now defunct "Caprica" series. Isn't this how the Cylons were born???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finx View Post
    My problem is as I get older, I don't recover as fast or as well, as I did even a few years ago.
    It gets worse.
    Soon, even an E-Road bike won't be enough for your old bones, and you'll want a V-Twin...
    As my fast, old Italian training buddy said: "Find more rides, not more bikes!"
    "I'm on my beater bike."
    Translation:
    I had this baby custom-made in Cambiago using carbon-fibre blessed by the Pope. I took it to a wind tunnel and it disappeared. It weighs less than a fart and costs more than a divorce.

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    Good to hear

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    The Shimano STEPS e8000 weighs about 5.5kg
    Good to hear they are getting the weight down. But the idea still applies. Let's say the carbon frame and components is about 7kg. Going to an aluminum frame might add 1/2 kg. So the bike weight goes from 12.5kg to 13kg.

    Still you might pay the money for carbon to get a smoother ride or a smiggen more efficiency. But I hear modern aluminum frames are have better ride characteristics than the old ones. Not to mention most e-bikes have 32cc tires.

    When you are the only motor on the bike, frame choice is a big deal. I would think that having the extra motor makes the frame decision less critical. As long as it fits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    Anyone riding a real road E bike ? Something like a Pinarello Nitro or Bianchi Aria Eroad or Focus Paralane,something that turn heads I mean
    If so,care to share ? ..
    I'm 68, 5 replaced joints, recurring cancer, and recently diagnosed with mild COPD. I just bought an Orbea Gain. I've for 3 weeks and only been able to put on about 300 miles so far because of the weather. I got this one because of deteriorating health and strength and want to keep riding - it is the only exercise I can do. I want to work up a sweat and put in the miles. Last year I did, without an ebike, 9000 miles and 600,000' and hope to do that again this year but with some assistance. What the figures do not show is the pain I've been putting up with.
    The weight factor is one of the major reasons for selecting this bike. This uses the same drive as the Bianchi mentioned by the OP. It is something that I can in fact pedal without the motor - just finished a 25 mile ride without assist. It is also adjustable as to how much power you want to apply for each of the three available settings. The motor will only assist when you are pedaling so you have to work. So far this is doing exactly what I want. The only con I can think of is that to use the app you have to turn on the location function of your smartphone (drains my phone battery too much).
    My longest and most difficult ride so far has been 32 miles with 3200' and I used 32% of the battery capacity. A metric is easily within reach and probably I'll attempt a century later this year.

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    Again, I get the utility of an eBike. A lot of localities banned mopeds on the streets years ago (for various reasons), but have not extended the restrictions to eBikes (for various reasons). Some (not all) allow them on MUTs/MUPs. The bike manufacturers are recognizing the potential and are jumping on the bandwagon, hoping the trend has more legs than fatbikes, gravel bikes, or any of the other relatively niche markets they've saturated over the years. One less car out there running an individual to work, delivering Chinese food, running errands... the list is pretty long for the utility market if the public's mood is properly stimulated. Of course, changing the culture is a pretty tall order in historically car-centric countries or in environments that don't have the infrastructure or climate for sustained usage. I know a growing number of RV owners look at them as runabouts instead of towing around a car. If it gets a fat-body off the couch, I can't argue with that. Every little bit helps.

    But, a performance eBike? This I'm not so fond of. Buying your way into a sporty paceline or reaching the top of a challenging climb with motor assist... it cheapens the endeavor. At a certain point such behavior will become normalized, much like doping was in the professional peloton in the late '90s and early '00s- what people think is a legitimate way to reach a certain level or performance. When it happens, I guess I'll stop racing and will be pedaling my dino-bike alone, getting brushed aside by fat, vaping kids on eBikes.

    Getting slower is part of life. Get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaska Mike View Post
    Again, I get the utility of an eBike. A lot of localities banned mopeds on the streets years ago (for various reasons), but have not extended the restrictions to eBikes (for various reasons). Some (not all) allow them on MUTs/MUPs. The bike manufacturers are recognizing the potential and are jumping on the bandwagon, hoping the trend has more legs than fatbikes, gravel bikes, or any of the other relatively niche markets they've saturated over the years. One less car out there running an individual to work, delivering Chinese food, running errands... the list is pretty long for the utility market if the public's mood is properly stimulated. Of course, changing the culture is a pretty tall order in historically car-centric countries or in environments that don't have the infrastructure or climate for sustained usage. I know a growing number of RV owners look at them as runabouts instead of towing around a car. If it gets a fat-body off the couch, I can't argue with that. Every little bit helps.

    But, a performance eBike? This I'm not so fond of. Buying your way into a sporty paceline or reaching the top of a challenging climb with motor assist... it cheapens the endeavor. At a certain point such behavior will become normalized, much like doping was in the professional peloton in the late '90s and early '00s- what people think is a legitimate way to reach a certain level or performance. When it happens, I guess I'll stop racing and will be pedaling my dino-bike alone, getting brushed aside by fat, vaping kids on eBikes.

    Getting slower is part of life. Get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post
    Getting an e-bike isn't going to help you keep fit.

    The problem is you can't find the time to maintain the level of speed and distance you are accustomed to. An electric motor will let you see that speed and distance but won't add fitness doing it. You need to reevaluate your goals. Maybe go a bit slower or the same speed over a shorter distance. Or find an alternative activity that you can squeeze in when the weather is bad, swimming, walking, etc...
    You can tell this guy hasn't ever had an e-bike, because he has no idea what he's talking about.

    I average about 155bpm on my commute on an ebike. The new Specialied ebikes will even show you power, you can get as much of a workout as you want and tailor assist levels to speed/range. When you ride an ebike, you're still pedaling and moving. You're just getting there faster. Which, for me, with two small kids at home and limited time, is a pretty big deal - it's the difference between being able to commute on a bike and just not.

    For someone getting back into riding, a recreational ride on an ebike is going to smooth out the parts of a ride that would blow them up and end it. Or that, even worse, would cause them to decide not to do it.

    Ebikes are entirely underrated fitness tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsuv View Post
    Good to hear they are getting the weight down. But the idea still applies. Let's say the carbon frame and components is about 7kg. Going to an aluminum frame might add 1/2 kg. So the bike weight goes from 12.5kg to 13kg.

    Still you might pay the money for carbon to get a smoother ride or a smiggen more efficiency. But I hear modern aluminum frames are have better ride characteristics than the old ones. Not to mention most e-bikes have 32cc tires.

    When you are the only motor on the bike, frame choice is a big deal. I would think that having the extra motor makes the frame decision less critical. As long as it fits.
    The amount of weight an e-bike adds to the total weight of rider plus bike is not a huge percentage. I mean, you're right, just take the weight of the rider into account and it's not that big of a deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    Anyone riding a real road E bike ? Something like a Pinarello Nitro or Bianchi Aria Eroad or Focus Paralane,something that turn heads I mean
    If so,care to share ? I'm almost 46,busy with family an ride only 7 months per year ( including flu/cold and vacation time) during winter months,each and every year is becoming increasingly difficult to gain a decent fitness. It's not that I can't do it anymore,it's just recovery times are becoming a true issue and when I push it a bit because I feel good my body feels hammered for 2/3 days. And no,no time to stretch at the gym or whatever else..
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    You can tell this guy hasn't ever had an e-bike, because he has no idea what he's talking about.

    I average about 155bpm on my commute on an ebike. The new Specialied ebikes will even show you power, you can get as much of a workout as you want and tailor assist levels to speed/range. When you ride an ebike, you're still pedaling and moving. You're just getting there faster. Which, for me, with two small kids at home and limited time, is a pretty big deal - it's the difference between being able to commute on a bike and just not.

    For someone getting back into riding, a recreational ride on an ebike is going to smooth out the parts of a ride that would blow them up and end it. Or that, even worse, would cause them to decide not to do it.

    Ebikes are entirely underrated fitness tools.
    But as he said in the OP he doesn't recover as quickly as he once did. So it doesn't matter if he uses a conventional bike or an e-bike to gain his fitness he's still gonna be hammered, as he said, for a couple of days. An hour pushing one self is an hour of pushing oneself and the need for recovery is there whether an e-bike or a conventional bike, so it'll take the same couple of days.

    He also said that he wants something that turns heads, which leads me to believe that it's more about the illusion of fitness than true fitness.

    Like I hinted at in another post, "Mid Life Crisis".
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