• 07-13-2019
    No Time Toulouse
    BRIFTER-and other lame cycling terms
    CX seems to consider "brifter" a lame term, yet it's actually a fairly intuitive combination of BRake/shIFTER. But there are lots of other cycling terms which are truly lame:

    Bottom bracket: Well, it's at the bottom, but it's more of a 'crank axle' than anything else. Except the cartridge type versions, which are more of a bearing/axle combination. Perhaps a 'Crank Be-axle'? That might work....

    Rake: So many people confuse this with the steerer angle, when in fact it's more of a 'fork offset'.

    Headset: Once again, a set of bearings, which makes it more of a 'steering bearing' set.

    Cassette: Not terribly descriptive. Brits like using the term 'cogset', but for those which ride on a splined carrier, perhaps the term 'cog-sette' would work?

    Anybody else have any ideas?
  • 07-13-2019
    SPlKE
    Slow day at the Russian Troll Farm?
  • 07-13-2019
    nova_rider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by No Time Toulouse View Post
    CX seems to consider "brifter" a lame term, yet it's actually a fairly intuitive combination of BRake/shIFTER. But there are lots of other cycling terms which are truly lame:

    Bottom bracket: Well, it's at the bottom, but it's more of a 'crank axle' than anything else. Except the cartridge type versions, which are more of a bearing/axle combination. Perhaps a 'Crank Be-axle'? That might work....

    Rake: So many people confuse this with the steerer angle, when in fact it's more of a 'fork offset'.

    Headset: Once again, a set of bearings, which makes it more of a 'steering bearing' set.

    Cassette: Not terribly descriptive. Brits like using the term 'cogset', but for those which ride on a splined carrier, perhaps the term 'cog-sette' would work?

    Anybody else have any ideas?

    How about just leave them alone? A Phillips screw is technically ANSI Type I Cross Recess fastener, but I doubt anyone in a hardware store would have a clue if you use that name. Lame or not, any self respecting cyclist should know exactly what these terms mean, and isn't that what really matters?

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  • 07-13-2019
    Marc
    If a bicycle has a saddle rather than a seat...why does a frame have seat stays and a seatpost?
  • 07-13-2019
    Jay Strongbow
    Tire, rim and tube size nomenclature could use an overhaul.
  • 07-13-2019
    Marc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jay Strongbow View Post
    Tire, rim and tube size nomenclature could use an overhaul.

    What's so unclear about 28" versus 29" versus 700C versus 622x? :)
  • 07-13-2019
    SPlKE
    I'd like to have the cumbersome term "disc brakes" shortened to "slicers" which describes what they do to human flesh.
  • 07-13-2019
    old_fuji
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    What's so unclear about 28" versus 29" versus 700C versus 622x? :)

    27" is bigger than 28" and 29"
  • 07-13-2019
    mackgoo
    I still think brighter is the stupidest term I've ever heard, except maybe frunk.
  • 07-13-2019
    mackgoo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mackgoo View Post
    I still think brighter is the stupidest term I've ever heard, except maybe frunk.

    See. Spell check doesn't even recognize brifter.
  • 07-14-2019
    Jay Strongbow
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    What's so unclear about 28" versus 29" versus 700C versus 622x? :)

    No kidding.

    q: How tall are you?

    a: Well, I'm a cyclist and have a French background. I'm 1800c, 922 x whatever.

    q; huh, what?

    a; It means the standard height for a road cyclist. 5' 9" I think, maybe.
  • 07-14-2019
    Marc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mackgoo View Post
    I still think brighter is the stupidest term I've ever heard, except maybe frunk.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mackgoo View Post
    See. Spell check doesn't even recognize brifter.

    Then your standards for "stupid", need adjusted.

    "Brifter" is a compound word that tells you what you're talking about, and saves time talking/typing in doing so. As such it is automatically superior to "bottom bracket" that is not only wordy--but fails spectacularly at clarifying exactly what the item in question is (it is neither at the bottom nor are there any brackets involved).
  • 07-14-2019
    No Time Toulouse
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mackgoo View Post
    I still think brighter is the stupidest term I've ever heard, except maybe frunk.

    Hey, both my classic Beetles had 'frunks'!
  • 07-14-2019
    SPlKE
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mackgoo View Post
    See. Spell check doesn't even recognize brifter.

    Case closed.
  • 07-14-2019
    OldZaskar
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Then your standards for "stupid", need adjusted.

    "Brifter" is a compound word that tells you what you're talking about, and saves time talking/typing in doing so.

    Nope. "Brifter" is a coined word. A compound word is an established combined word. Think "daybreak" or "tombstone" - two words in their entirety combined into a single word. "Website" is an example of a combined term that's since been adopted... it's now a compound word.

    All of ^that^ still doesn't mean "brifter" is any better of a word. We are not in the habit of combining all of the functions of a tool, device, etc. in a new name for the original device. I mean... what would you call you car's steering wheel or your iPhone?
  • 07-14-2019
    SPlKE
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OldZaskar View Post
    Nope. "Brifter" is a coined word. A compound word is an established combined word. Think "daybreak" or "tombstone" - two words in their entirety combined into a single word. "Website" is an example of a combined term that's since been adopted... it's now a compound word.

    All of ^that^ still doesn't mean "brifter" is any better of a word. We are not in the habit of combining all of the functions of a tool, device, etc. in a new name for the original device. I mean... what would you call you car's steering wheel or your iPhone?

    I'm so old, I remember when email was called Electronic Mail, then e-mail.

    PS: Brifter is not a lame word. cx is a lame etymologist.
  • 07-14-2019
    mackgoo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by No Time Toulouse View Post
    Hey, both my classic Beetles had 'frunks'!

    Doesn't make it any better.
    Brighter is the stupidest word I've ever heard, and anyone who defends it is, well......
  • 07-14-2019
    cxwrench
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SPlKE View Post
    I'm so old, I remember when email was called Electronic Mail, then e-mail.

    PS: Brifter is not a lame word. cx is a lame etymologist.

    I don't study words, I just have opinions. You old enough to every have a work provided pager? And end up running around looking for a pay phone when you boss messaged '911'?
  • 07-14-2019
    ogre
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    I don't study words, I just have opinions. You old enough to every have a work provided pager? And end up running around looking for a pay phone when you boss messaged '911'?

    My computer science class in high school used punch cards.

    I remember our TVs before solid state electronics, they'd blow a tube every other month, and you had to take of bunch of them out of your TV and test them at a store to figure out which one was bad.
  • 07-14-2019
    Mapei
    Dumb as certain words and expressions may be, I just can't help getting a kick out of the crazy yet oddly logical ways languages change over time. Stuff we all spurn becomes stuff we all say. The subject actually got me into getting a Masters Degree in Linguistics, way back when.
  • 07-15-2019
    SPlKE
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    I don't study words, I just have opinions. You old enough to every have a work provided pager? And end up running around looking for a pay phone when you boss messaged '911'?

    I never had a pager. But countless times I was in the herd of people stampeding from the plane's arrival gate to the bank of pay phones across the lobby.

    Good times.
  • 07-15-2019
    kiwisimon
    How about a system of pedal interface where you clip in, called clipless?
    Using inches to measure wheel diameters and millimeters for crank lengths.

    brifter worked really well but they are so ubiquitous now brake lever usually means brifter
    Fugly is a great adjective which works really well, it's a neologism. That's for you Mapei
  • 07-15-2019
    tlg
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nova_rider View Post
    A Phillips screw is technically ANSI Type I Cross Recess fastener

    On a bike it's more likely be a DIN, ISO, or JIS fastener.
    The Phillips drive comes from the Phillips Screw Company. When the patent expired it was adopted by many other standards.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    If a bicycle has a saddle rather than a seat...why does a frame have seat stays and a seatpost?

    That one drives me nuts.
  • 07-15-2019
    SPlKE
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kiwisimon View Post
    How about a system of pedal interface where you clip in, called clipless?
    Using inches to measure wheel diameters and millimeters for crank lengths.

    brifter worked really well but they are so ubiquitous now brake lever usually means brifter
    Fugly is a great adjective which works really well, it's a neologism. That's for you Mapei

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  • 07-15-2019
    Bremerradkurier
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    On a bike it's more likely be a DIN, ISO, or JIS fastener.
    The Phillips drive comes from the Phillips Screw Company. When the patent expired it was adopted by many other standards.

    That one drives me nuts.

    IIRC, the world got stuck with Phillips head screws because Henry Ford and P.L. Robertson didn't get along.