• 08-11-2019
    PBL450
    E-bikes are Better for Exercise!
    I seriously donít believe that. There has to be a rub... I have seen dozens of e-bikes, most commuting, and I still have yet to see the rider pedaling" Iím actually seeing a trend in the bikes, they are getting more squat with wider, smoother tires, like lightweight electric motorcycles. Wait... They are lightweight electric motorcycles!


    https://electrek.co/2019/08/11/electric-bike-riders-more-exercise-than-cyclists/
  • 08-11-2019
    SauronHimself
    You'll get more exercise when the battery dies.

    The study examined time spent and distance traveled, which are not a good measure of how hard the riders worked. If they measured calories burned and power output, the conclusion would be different.
  • 08-11-2019
    duriel
    Totally sales pitch...
    I could see ebikes getting more excersize for people who would not even think about getting on a bike, they have a hard time getting off the couch!
  • 08-12-2019
    JCavilia
    The article was written by an e-bike enthusiast and advocate who has an obvious chip on his shoulder about criticism from cyclists. He paraphrases the study he discusses, and included a couple of quotations, but as far as I can see there is no link to the actual publication. More than suspicious. The (paraphrased) operative conclusion that purportedly supports the headline reads,

    "electric bicycle riders ended up slightly edging out pedal bike cyclists in terms of total exercise each week. The studyís authors largely attribute this to the increased amount of time that e-bike riders spend on their bikes"

    With no definition of "total exercise" this is largely meaningless, and appears to be based simply on time comparison. If a cyclist rides for an hour pedaling hard, and an e-cyclist rides for two hours mostly soft-pedalling while the motor works, who got "more" exercise?

    I'm sure e-bikes have their place; if they get someone out to exercise at a modest pace who would otherwise do nothing, that's not a bad thing. But the article's conclusion is bogus argument, it seems to me.
  • 08-12-2019
    azpeterb
    I would like to carry this one step further, and hypothesize that if I'm sitting on the couch and drinking beer, I can get in more exercise because I do that for longer periods of time than I ride my bike. Hours on end of lifting a beer bottle to my mouth, several trips to the bathroom where I actually WALK to get there and back to the couch, trips back and forth to the fridge to get more beer and make snacks (even MORE WALKING!)....it's a full-body, brutal workout.
  • 08-12-2019
    Finx
    I Commute on an e-bike. I do this instead of driving (riding a non-e-bike is not really an option due to distance and climbing).

    It takes me about an hour to ride to work in the morning.

    I average 115-120bpm for that hour on the way in.

    In the afternoon, I tend to take a longer route and push a little harder. This ride would be roughly 2 hours at 130-135bpm.

    That's a lot of exercise I wouldn't be getting if I were driving my car.

    I've lost about 10lbs (with no diet changes) since I started doing this in late Spring.

    I take it easy and let the bike do most of the work on the way in so I don't get too sweaty ( I work in an office and we don't have showers). I put a lot more effort in on the way home, and typically burn 2-3 times as many calories.

    The E-bike has panniers and a frame bag, and I occasionally do some light grocery shopping on the way home.

    I still ride my road bike (non-motorized) on Summer evenings and on weekends. I do several local gravel Fondos on my non-motorized gravel bike as well.

    I'm definitely getting more exercise by incorporating the e-bike into my routine.
  • 08-12-2019
    mmoose
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Finx View Post
    I Commute on an e-bike...I'm definitely getting more exercise by incorporating the e-bike into my routine.

    Ebikes have their place and this is a great example. But the article tries to sound like you get more exercise using an ebike instead of a bike for the same trip. Simple bias in the "study".

    But, thanks for the info. hr 115 for an hour is better than driving of course. Ebikes have their place. I'm still split on the "bike trail" (specifically "no motorized vehicles") usage.
  • 08-12-2019
    duriel
    I don't think finx is a 'typical" ebike rider.

    But, I do see riders on them, so maybe they are 'typical". Do you see a lot of fellow ebikers?
  • 08-12-2019
    Finx
    I do see a lot of e-bikes, and almost all of them are pedaling. I live in an area where there are a lot of people in the tech industry. I find these folks to be very progressive in terms of adopting new tech. Just based on my personal observations, I seriously doubt most of these folks even own a bike that isn't motorized. If they weren't e-biking they would be driving or on the bus.

    Based on this I'm pretty sure most of them are getting more exercise on their Ebike than they would get driving or sitting on the bus.


    The vast majority of e-bikes sold in the US are class 1 and only provide assistance up to about 19mph.

    I frequently nget passed by road bikes on flats and descents. The only time my e-bike is faster than a typical road bike commuter is on long or steep climbs.

    The article in the OP is probably bunk. At least as it pertains to any serious cyclist (, of which most of the people on this forum are). O only scanned it, but if it's premise is the you would get more exercise on a Ebike than on a road or mountain bike, that is ridiculous.

    I have nothing to back it up, but based on my own experience you will get a lot more exercise on an ebike than you would on the bus or driving a car (or sitting on your couch drinking beer).

    I do think that Ebikes already have, and will continue t get more people riding who wouldn't otherwise consider it.

    There things are flying out the door at most of my local shops. I watched a 50ish year old couple buying a pair of Trek Supercommuter Ebikes on Saturday. They were both giddy with excitement to be able to ride together. Neither were serious cyclists, and the wife didn't even own a bike.
  • 08-12-2019
    Oxtox
    could not care less about the silly exercise debate.

    my only comment about ebikes is that for every person riding one instead of driving, there's one less car on the road that I have to be wary of...
  • 08-12-2019
    blackfrancois
    and in other news ... if you take the escalator 100 times, you get more exercise than taking the stairs once.
  • 08-14-2019
    masont
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Oxtox View Post
    could not care less about the silly exercise debate.

    my only comment about ebikes is that for every person riding one instead of driving, there's one less car on the road that I have to be wary of...

    And one more person who votes that likes to see cycling infrastructure.
    One more person not polluting while driving
    One more person who doesn't need a parking spot for a car at their destination
  • 08-15-2019
    walrus
    E-bikes are a good way to get your significant other who isn't an enthusiast out riding with you.
  • 08-16-2019
    velodog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    E-bikes are a good way to get your significant other who isn't an enthusiast out riding with you.

    So is a tandem, which would be my preference.
  • 08-16-2019
    duriel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    E-bikes are a good way to get your significant other who isn't an enthusiast out riding with you.

    Are u crazy?
  • 08-16-2019
    bmach
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    E-bikes are a good way to get your significant other who isn't an enthusiast out riding with you.

    Have to totally agree, my wife would not ride at all. Bought an e assist bike, now we are up to 40 mile rides together. She also joins in on club rides and is having fun.
  • 08-16-2019
    PBL450
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by masont View Post
    And one more person who votes that likes to see cycling infrastructure.
    One more person not polluting while driving
    One more person who doesn't need a parking spot for a car at their destination

    We all have our own unique experiences and they are all different. In mine, I have yet to see an ebike rider turn a single pedal revolution. Not one. Iíve seen tons of them, mostly commuters and the rest beach-goers. From a green alternative standpoint an ebike isnít anything to write home about. Compared to a car an ebike is a win. Compared to an actual bicycle itís an eco fail. Iím not sure there is any benefit in the moped infrastructure aspect of the discussion either. Ive seen of these things freaking hauling! The fastest I have seen looks home made, an old hybrid with an add on motor. Dude is way over 30. He rides the highway shoulder near where I work so I see him often. He wears ski goggles and a bandana over his lower face. No helmet. I think they may be more counter exercise productive than the article suggests. Again, this is my experience. They arenít being used as bicycles at all.
  • 08-16-2019
    duriel
    The side add on my RBR, there is one, they put a thing in the triangle that looks like a HD motor, the seat is low and wide handlebars. No one is going to be pedaling on that POS!
  • 08-16-2019
    den bakker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PBL450 View Post
    We all have our own unique experiences and they are all different. In mine, I have yet to see an ebike rider turn a single pedal revolution. Not one. Iíve seen tons of them, mostly commuters and the rest beach-goers. From a green alternative standpoint an ebike isnít anything to write home about. Compared to a car an ebike is a win. Compared to an actual bicycle itís an eco fail. Iím not sure there is any benefit in the moped infrastructure aspect of the discussion either. Ive seen of these things freaking hauling! The fastest I have seen looks home made, an old hybrid with an add on motor. Dude is way over 30. He rides the highway shoulder near where I work so I see him often. He wears ski goggles and a bandana over his lower face. No helmet. I think they may be more counter exercise productive than the article suggests. Again, this is my experience. They arenít being used as bicycles at all.

    I'll have confirmation bias for 200 Alex
    https://www.science20.com/news_artic...r_a_lot-154437
  • 08-16-2019
    velodog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PBL450 View Post
    We all have our own unique experiences and they are all different. In mine, I have yet to see an ebike rider turn a single pedal revolution. Not one. Iíve seen tons of them, mostly commuters and the rest beach-goers. From a green alternative standpoint an ebike isnít anything to write home about. Compared to a car an ebike is a win. Compared to an actual bicycle itís an eco fail. Iím not sure there is any benefit in the moped infrastructure aspect of the discussion either. Ive seen of these things freaking hauling! The fastest I have seen looks home made, an old hybrid with an add on motor. Dude is way over 30. He rides the highway shoulder near where I work so I see him often. He wears ski goggles and a bandana over his lower face. No helmet. I think they may be more counter exercise productive than the article suggests. Again, this is my experience. They arenít being used as bicycles at all.

    I've seen it around here too, plenty of them are being used as nothing more than cheap transportation.
  • 08-16-2019
    Finx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    I've seen it around here too, plenty of them are being used as nothing more than cheap transportation.

    Is this suggesting that there is something wrong with 'cheap transportation' ?
  • 08-17-2019
    velodog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Finx View Post
    Is this suggesting that there is something wrong with 'cheap transportation' ?

    It's suggesting that they're more about cheap transportation and less about cycling. More to do with getting from here to there cheaply and with as little effort as possible.
  • 08-17-2019
    Finx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    It's suggesting that they're more about cheap transportation and less about cycling. More to do with getting from here to there cheaply and with as little effort as possible.

    As little effort as possible? Wouldn't that involve sitting in a car in traffic?

    And cheap? Have you seen how much ebikes cost compared to non motorized bikes?
  • 08-17-2019
    BCSaltchucker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    It's suggesting that they're more about cheap transportation and less about cycling. More to do with getting from here to there cheaply and with as little effort as possible.

    in other words, ebikes are making the world a better place for everyone
  • 08-17-2019
    PBL450
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by den bakker View Post
    I'll have confirmation bias for 200 Alex
    https://www.science20.com/news_artic...r_a_lot-154437

    Im not sure Iím following you den.... Iím more than casually facile with social science research methods and confounding tendencies. I just donít get how you are applying this idea.
  • 08-17-2019
    PBL450
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    It's suggesting that they're more about cheap transportation and less about cycling. More to do with getting from here to there cheaply and with as little effort as possible.

    Exactly. Iím not trashing ebikes I've been saying all along that they just arenít bicycles and they will do great in sales but they will not do anything for cycling. They are exploding in the non cycling market. They are good for LBS? But even that, I think total fakes that sell cheap will be the market. Like duriel said and Iím seeing as well, they are getting more stable, wider smoother tires, shorter more squat frames... Not bikes at all. Mopeds. The pedals are just awkward foot pegs. Again, from an all is good green standpoint, sure, they are way better than cars, but they SUCK compared to a bicycle. Electricity has to be made. Batteries have to be disposed. They suck.
  • 08-17-2019
    velodog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Finx View Post
    As little effort as possible? Wouldn't that involve sitting in a car in traffic?

    And cheap? Have you seen how much ebikes cost compared to non motorized bikes?

    Yes, cheap transportation. Have you compared the cost of an e-bike to the cost of an automobile.

    You know, for GoB's, "guy on bike" who will now become Goeb "guy on e-bike" or what ever the hell you want to call them. It ain't about being green and it ain't about cycling, it's about getting from here to there as cheaply as possible while not walking or taking the bus. And an e-bike takes less effort than riding a department store bike.

    I see the future, and it's department store e-bikes. Use 'em till they break, then throw them in the land fill. Green my ass.

    I don't see this as making the world a better place for anyone.
  • 08-17-2019
    Finx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    Yes, cheap transportation. Have you compared the cost of an e-bike to the cost of an automobile.

    You know, for GoB's, "guy on bike" who will now become Goeb "guy on e-bike" or what ever the hell you want to call them. It ain't about being green and it ain't about cycling, it's about getting from here to there as cheaply as possible while not walking or taking the bus. And an e-bike takes less effort than riding a department store bike.

    I see the future, and it's department store e-bikes. Use 'em till they break, then throw them in the land fill. Green my ass.

    I don't see this as making the world a better place for anyone.

    Jeez man, being you must really suck...
  • 08-18-2019
    velodog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Finx View Post
    Jeez man, being you must really suck...

    No, not at all. I try and see things for what they are, not for what I'd like them to be.
  • 08-18-2019
    PBL450
  • 08-18-2019
    SauronHimself
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    I don't see this as making the world a better place for anyone.

    From a legal standpoint I see them making great strides. Why does cycling-related legislation and cycling advocacy generally suck? Because cycling is a niche sport and/or hobby in this country. Nowadays you hardly see kids playing outside, let alone mount bicycles and ride them for several miles. More bikes on the roads means motorists will be forced to pay attention to their presence more. Whether or not they like it is one thing, but as more people hop on two wheels among cars, their (the new cyclists) perspectives will shift to align with those of us who have been griping about crappy cycling legislation for years. Maybe bike-car collisions will be treated with stricter liability and harsher penalties. Maybe cyclists like myself won't have to resort to using cameras just for law enforcement to take us seriously.
  • 08-18-2019
    bradkay
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PBL450 View Post

    In the state of Washington, that is not considered a bicycle but rather a MoPed, which means that the rider needs to have a valid driver's license (though not a motorcycle license). This upsets a lot of potential e-bike customers who have lost their licenses but want one of those bikes they don't have to pedal and can go 40mph.
  • 08-19-2019
    Methodical
    If (Big If) they are buying eBikes instead of cars, why isn't that being green? Curious! Cars are big pollutants, waaay more than an eBike. I still consider eBikes a form of a motor vehicle though, like a moped or scooter.
  • 08-19-2019
    velodog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Methodical View Post
    If (Big If) they are buying eBikes instead of cars, why isn't that being green? Curious! Cars are big pollutants, waaay more than an eBike. I still consider eBikes a form of a motor vehicle though, like a moped or scooter.

    If they are buying an e-bike instead of a car, they may indeed be being green, but if they are buying an e-bike instead of a bicycle, they are in no way being green.

    Using an e-bike until being able to afford an automobile isn't about being green, whereas using an e-bike instead of an automobile is. Also, using an e-bike to be able to keep up with others isn't about being green, it's about vanity, about the illusion of youth or strength.

    Is the person with only an e-bike for transportation being green? Sure. But if that e-bike is just one in a stable of bikes, not so green. A collection of things, even "green" things doesn't "green" make. Keeping up with the marketing trends isn't green. Green is the use of a product for it's usable life, and then recycling that product when replaced. Green is using a tandem to ride with a partner that is now outpacing you, not getting a driven vehicle, no matter the power source, to keep up.

    Having an e-bike to commute, a road bike for club rides, a gravel bike for dirt road adventure and a mountain bike for single track is not green, it is crass consumerism with the illusion of being green.
  • 08-19-2019
    DaveG
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    If they are buying an e-bike instead of a car, they may indeed be being green, but if they are buying an e-bike instead of a bicycle, they are in no way being green.

    Using an e-bike until being able to afford an automobile isn't about being green, whereas using an e-bike instead of an automobile is. Also, using an e-bike to be able to keep up with others isn't about being green, it's about vanity, about the illusion of youth or strength.

    Is the person with only an e-bike for transportation being green? Sure. But if that e-bike is just one in a stable of bikes, not so green. A collection of things, even "green" things doesn't "green" make. Keeping up with the marketing trends isn't green. Green is the use of a product for it's usable life, and then recycling that product when replaced. Green is using a tandem to ride with a partner that is now outpacing you, not getting a driven vehicle, no matter the power source, to keep up.

    Having an e-bike to commute, a road bike for club rides, a gravel bike for dirt road adventure and a mountain bike for single track is not green, it is crass consumerism with the illusion of being green.

    I get a mental picture of someone loading an e-bike in the back of their Escalade to drive it to a bike path
  • 08-19-2019
    velodog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DaveG View Post
    I get a mental picture of someone loading an e-bike in the back of their Escalade to drive it to a bike path

    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DaveG again.
  • 08-19-2019
    velodog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DaveG View Post
    I get a mental picture of someone loading an e-bike in the back of their Escalade to drive it to a bike path

    Their Hybrid Escalade.
  • 08-19-2019
    pmf
    I commute from Virginia into DC every day. I've been doing it for decades. We've got a great system of off the road bike paths, allowing one to ride almost the entire way (33 miles for me) without being in traffic. I've gone from seeing one of these annoying things maybe once a week, to getting buzzed by them several times each way. The big impetus I noticed was when they shut down the train system for an extended period of time (two months) to fix the tracks in Virginia. All the sudden, the numbers of ebikes surged, despite the trail being reserved for non-motorized vehicles. My LBS has more ebikes on the sales floor than real bikes.

    I do notice that most ebike riders are younger people who lack decent bike handling skills. So maybe the 'its getting someone out who wouldn't ride otherwise' argument has something to it. Frankly, that's fine if they stayed off the bike path, but they don't. So ebikes make my life worse. I don't understand why someone who is 30 years younger than me, and appears to be perfectly fit needs a bike with an electric motor on it.

    Its a sad reflection on our society that an electric motor is the biggest up and coming technology to get people out to ride a bicycle.
  • 08-19-2019
    DaveG
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pmf View Post
    I commute from Virginia into DC every day. I've been doing it for decades. We've got a great system of off the road bike paths, allowing one to ride almost the entire way (33 miles for me) without being in traffic. I've gone from seeing one of these annoying things maybe once a week, to getting buzzed by them several times each way. The big impetus I noticed was when they shut down the train system for an extended period of time (two months) to fix the tracks in Virginia. All the sudden, the numbers of ebikes surged, despite the trail being reserved for non-motorized vehicles. My LBS has more ebikes on the sales floor than real bikes.

    I do notice that most ebike riders are younger people who lack decent bike handling skills. So maybe the 'its getting someone out who wouldn't ride otherwise' argument has something to it. Frankly, that's fine if they stayed off the bike path, but they don't. So ebikes make my life worse. I don't understand why someone who is 30 years younger than me, and appears to be perfectly fit needs a bike with an electric motor on it.

    Its a sad reflection on our society that an electric motor is the biggest up and coming technology to get people out to ride a bicycle.

    E-bikes are just a temporary measure until they invent those floating reclining chairs like in the movie Wall-E
  • 08-19-2019
    azpeterb
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pmf View Post
    I commute from Virginia into DC every day. I've been doing it for decades. We've got a great system of off the road bike paths, allowing one to ride almost the entire way (33 miles for me) without being in traffic. I've gone from seeing one of these annoying things maybe once a week, to getting buzzed by them several times each way. The big impetus I noticed was when they shut down the train system for an extended period of time (two months) to fix the tracks in Virginia. All the sudden, the numbers of ebikes surged, despite the trail being reserved for non-motorized vehicles. My LBS has more ebikes on the sales floor than real bikes.

    I do notice that most ebike riders are younger people who lack decent bike handling skills. So maybe the 'its getting someone out who wouldn't ride otherwise' argument has something to it. Frankly, that's fine if they stayed off the bike path, but they don't. So ebikes make my life worse. I don't understand why someone who is 30 years younger than me, and appears to be perfectly fit needs a bike with an electric motor on it.

    Its a sad reflection on our society that an electric motor is the biggest up and coming technology to get people out to ride a bicycle.

    All this brings up a good question: are e-bikes legally allowed to use paths/trails which are reserved for bicycles? Maybe it depends on how local municipalities define "bicycle", but if e-bikes are considered motorized vehicles, and motorized vehicles are not supposed to use bike lanes/paths, then this is a law enforcement issue (or lack thereof).
  • 08-19-2019
    pmf
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by azpeterb View Post
    All this brings up a good question: are e-bikes legally allowed to use paths/trails which are reserved for bicycles? Maybe it depends on how local municipalities define "bicycle", but if e-bikes are considered motorized vehicles, and motorized vehicles are not supposed to use bike lanes/paths, then this is a law enforcement issue (or lack thereof).

    I don't see how they can be considered anything else but a motorized vehicle. Motorcycles can't be ridden on the bike path. Partly it is an enforcement issue. On my way to work, I travel through two counties and an incorporated city that have potentially different interpretations of what a motorized vehicle is. And even if they were universally banned from the bike path, I doubt it would be enforced. I can spot an ebike in an instant. I doubt most cops can.

    Its tolerable now, but I dread the not too far off day when half the bikes on the bike path are ebikes trying to buzz by me because I can't pedal my bike fast enough up the hills. I already get enough being tailgated by huge SUVs in this area. Does it have to happen on the bike path too?
  • 08-19-2019
    Finx
    It's down to local laws.

    Here is some info from my state.
    Here's what you need to know about Washington’s new e-bike law - Washington BikesWashington Bikes
    What is an e-bike?
    A bicycle with two or three wheels, a saddle, fully operative pedals for human propulsion, and an electric motor with fewer than 750 watts of power
    What are the three classes of e-bikes?

    1. Class 1: an e-bike that provides assistance only when the rider is pedaling and ceases to provide assistance when the bicycle reaches the speed of 20 mph
    2. Class 2: an e-bike where the motor may be used exclusively to propel the bicycle (without needing to pedal) and is not capable of providing assistance when the bicycle reaches the speed of 20 miles per hour
    3. Class 3: an e-bike where the motor provides assistance only when the rider is pedaling and ceases to provide assistance when the bicycle reaches the speed of 28 mph; also equipped with a speedometer

    Where can I ride my e-bike?

    • It depends on where youíre riding. If your city doesnít have specific laws on the books, the default is that Class 1 and 2 e-bikes can go everywhere traditional bikes can.
    • Class 3 e-bikes are restricted from shared-use pathways, as well as sidewalks. There is an allowance for Class 3 bikes on sidewalks in cases where there is no other safe alternative. Class 3 e-bikes are allowed on infrastructure that is within or adjacent to a highway (street).
    • E-bikes cannot be ridden on a trail that is designated as non-motorized and that has a natural surface made by clearing and grading the native soil with no added surfacing materials. This provision in the legislation was amended to help improve interactions with other types of users on soft-surface single track trails. Exceptions may be made by a local authority or agency of this state that has jurisdiction over a particular trail.

    Are e-bikes allowed on sidewalks?

    • Class 1 and 2 e-bikes are treated as traditional bikes, which means they are allowed on sidewalks, subject to local laws that restrict bicycle riding on sidewalks.
    • Class 3 e-bikes are prohibited on sidewalks except when there is no other safe option for the bikes to travel (for example on a bridge without a trail or other safe place to bike).
  • 08-19-2019
    PBL450
    Using a bicycle for transportation is super green. Using the same bike, with a steel frame, for a long time, is super, super green. An ebike is only green in comparison to using a car for transportation. Iím not sure, but Iíd guess mass transit is likely greener than an ebike. We have a weird kind of programming that electricity is green. It isnít. At least it isnít yet, at least in the US. Batteries suck. Short life and deadly debris, environmentally speaking. Battery tech is our current holy grail. Ebikes wonít improve cycling infrastructure for one very good reason.... they arenít bikes. They will make the case for ebike infrastructure. Thatíll last a day or so until they get regulated and vanish. Anyone see a gas powered moped lately? There is definitely some micro-tiny niche that these are for in cycling. It will account for an incalculable minority of overall sales. POS emopeds sold cheap that go 40mph and have a shelf life of a year will own the market. And then they will hit the landfills. Battery acid and all.
  • 08-19-2019
    GearDaddy
    Just got back from a vacation to Winter Park, Colorado. Main attraction was to do a bunch of mountain biking (and get butt kicked by 9000ft elevation). On one ride we came upon a dude we dubbed "electric geezer". The guy was 70+ years old and had done an e-bike conversion on a full-susp mountain bike. He also was wearing a backpack, had about 4 phones/computers attached to his handlebars, and was wearing ski goggles with a rearview mirror attachment.

    The guy was super chatty and told us all sorts of wild tales, including something about entering a race (with his e-bike!) and hanging with the "top pros" at the head of the race. Yowza, what a kook!

    There are a lot of retired-with-lotsa-time-and-money folks out there. I predict seeing more and more electric geezers out there. :eek:
  • 08-19-2019
    Methodical
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GearDaddy View Post
    Just got back from a vacation to Winter Park, Colorado. Main attraction was to do a bunch of mountain biking (and get butt kicked by 9000ft elevation). On one ride we came upon a dude we dubbed "electric geezer". The guy was 70+ years old and had done an e-bike conversion on a full-susp mountain bike. He also was wearing a backpack, had about 4 phones/computers attached to his handlebars, and was wearing ski goggles with a rearview mirror attachment.

    The guy was super chatty and told us all sorts of wild tales, including something about entering a race (with his e-bike!) and hanging with the "top pros" at the head of the race. Yowza, what a kook!

    There are a lot of retired-with-lotsa-time-and-money folks out there. I predict seeing more and more electric geezers out there. :eek:

    Man, no photos of the setup. I'd like to see that bike setup.
  • 08-19-2019
    Methodical
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pmf View Post
    I commute from Virginia into DC every day. I've been doing it for decades. We've got a great system of off the road bike paths, allowing one to ride almost the entire way (33 miles for me) without being in traffic. I've gone from seeing one of these annoying things maybe once a week, to getting buzzed by them several times each way. The big impetus I noticed was when they shut down the train system for an extended period of time (two months) to fix the tracks in Virginia. All the sudden, the numbers of ebikes surged, despite the trail being reserved for non-motorized vehicles. My LBS has more ebikes on the sales floor than real bikes.

    I do notice that most ebike riders are younger people who lack decent bike handling skills. So maybe the 'its getting someone out who wouldn't ride otherwise' argument has something to it. Frankly, that's fine if they stayed off the bike path, but they don't. So ebikes make my life worse. I don't understand why someone who is 30 years younger than me, and appears to be perfectly fit needs a bike with an electric motor on it. https://forums.roadbikereview.com/ne...eply&p=5339791

    Its a sad reflection on our society that an electric motor is the biggest up and coming technology to get people out to ride a bicycle.

    I was on a college campus and there were a lot of those electric scooters, electric skateboard (a 1st for me) and electric wheel thingy. That's why America is so fat. I told my daughter not to ride that crap and do some walking to keep fit.
  • 08-19-2019
    Methodical
    Here's what I find ironic in this thread though. Cyclists are starting to sound just like motorists about cyclists when it comes to eBikes.
  • 08-20-2019
    velodog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Methodical View Post
    Here's what I find ironic in this thread though. Cyclists are starting to sound just like motorists about cyclists when it comes to eBikes.

    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Methodical again.



    We're only human.
  • 08-20-2019
    pmf
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Methodical View Post
    Here's what I find ironic in this thread though. Cyclists are starting to sound just like motorists about cyclists when it comes to eBikes.

    Hey -- don't think about taking away my God given right to *****.
  • 08-20-2019
    BCSaltchucker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Methodical View Post
    I was on a college campus and there were a lot of those electric scooters, electric skateboard (a 1st for me) and electric wheel thingy. That's why America is so fat. I told my daughter not to ride that crap and do some walking to keep fit.

    yeah those ebikes and scooters in the 1990s are responsible for America's Obesity problem...


    http://www.slate.com/content/dam/sla...besity-map.gif

    Meanwhile Ebikes now outsell bikes in the Netherlands .. and their obesity rate remains 12% compared to 38% in the USA, and one of the lowest in EU (and the World)

    https://www.oecd.org/els/health-syst...pdate-2017.pdf