Has Garmin crossed the rubicon of bad taste?
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    Has Garmin crossed the rubicon of bad taste?

    https://connect.garmin.com/features/...ycle-tracking/

    A female friend posted about this on FB. She was in shock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trek_5200 View Post
    https://connect.garmin.com/features/...ycle-tracking/

    A female friend posted about this on FB. She was in shock
    Not at all, women athletes have to consider their menstrual cycle as a factor in training and racing, why would they want to track it somewhere else? I think having the function might make tracking a tiny bit easier and more convenient. There is nothing off-putting or gross about a menstrual cycle. Many serious athletes struggle with missing periods and significant disruption to their regular cycle, so I donít see any of this as shocking or inappropriate.
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    Having this info can actually be beneficial, from a man's standpoint...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trek_5200 View Post
    A female friend posted about this on FB. She was in shock
    'in shock'...really?

    your friend needs to get to a fainting couch and have someone fan her until the 'vapors' subside...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxtox View Post
    'in shock'...really?

    your friend needs to get to a fainting couch and have someone fan her until the 'vapors' subside...
    Eh, I can see where someone is turned off by it. I mean come on, Connect is all but a datamining semi-social-media-platform...and turning (semi)-personal medical info over to Garmin is not something I'd do lightly.

    You can safely bet money Garmin is taking all that data and selling it to anyone for $$$.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Eh, I can see where someone is turned off by it. I mean come on, Connect is all but a datamining semi-social-media-platform...and turning (semi)-personal medical info over to Garmin is not something I'd do lightly.

    You can safely bet money Garmin is taking all that data and selling it to anyone for $$$.
    based on the thread title that uses the words 'bad taste,' I get the impression that the person was offended by the tracking a normal biological function, not the data mining aspects...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Eh, I can see where someone is turned off by it. I mean come on, Connect is all but a datamining semi-social-media-platform...and turning (semi)-personal medical info over to Garmin is not something I'd do lightly.

    You can safely bet money Garmin is taking all that data and selling it to anyone for $$$.
    As opposed to heart rate? My doc always jokes she wants my Garmin data at my annual physical. Jeez. Why would a woman want to shield her menstrual cycle more than other health related data? Just a non-starter. We all just need to get over any bias or stigma we have about womenís reproductive healthcare. Everyone is selling everything. Your argument is fine, but the logical reaction is to live off the grid. Just because there is a vaginal discharge involved doesnít make the data shameful, disgusting or especially secretive.
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    I'd be curious to hear from female posters on this. Guessing mostly if not only men have responded. A woman's perspective would be helpful

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    I think that if I was a woman I'd want to my menstrual cycle along with my cycling data.

    I'm a diabetic who used to wear a continuous glucose monitor that would update my glucose reading every five minutes, and was quite upset that I couldn't track that on my Garmin. I had to pencil it in after the fact, and the information wasn't as whole as it would have been if the data would have been available to my Garmin.

    Both are important information that both affects, and is affected by exercise, and the easier to track together, the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trek_5200 View Post
    I'd be curious to hear from female posters on this. Guessing mostly if not only men have responded. A woman's perspective would be helpful
    A certain poster should be jumping in at any time and tell you that you should have started this thread in the correct subforum - Women's Cycling

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    A totally normal bodily function that happens once a month for half the population that affects athletic performance?

    My only question is what took them so long?

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    I think too many people enjoy being offended today, it's one of the biggest social issues in the US today. If people don't like the ability to track something like that and are truly offended then choose not to participate by using it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxtox View Post
    'in shock'...really?

    your friend needs to get to a fainting couch and have someone fan her until the 'vapors' subside...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxtox View Post
    based on the thread title that uses the words 'bad taste,' I get the impression that the person was offended by the tracking a normal biological function, not the data mining aspects...
    offended? No. More like the reaction was one of TMI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Eh, I can see where someone is turned off by it. I mean come on, Connect is all but a datamining semi-social-media-platform...and turning (semi)-personal medical info over to Garmin is not something I'd do lightly.

    You can safely bet money Garmin is taking all that data and selling it to anyone for $$$.
    This. It's a social media ap. Goes to too much information and forgets that we're not customers but product. Who is garmin selling this data to?

    Best answer on this thread. I'd give you points but I can't at this time. How long before Garmin sends users targeted ads based on this too?

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    Considering some draconian states are making it mandatory to carry any fetus to birth once a heart beat is detectable,I think most sexually active women should be doing this. The rest of the free world maybe not so much. Good for Garmin!
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    It's full of factual errors. :nono:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxtox View Post
    'in shock'...really?

    your friend needs to get to a fainting couch and have someone fan her until the 'vapors' subside...
    Ö said with a Southern dilettante's accent...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwisimon View Post
    Considering some draconian states are making it mandatory to carry any fetus to birth once a heart beat is detectable,I think most sexually active women should be doing this. The rest of the free world maybe not so much. Good for Garmin!
    but maybe not posted and shared with a social media website who is only going to sell the data and put out targeted ads based on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by masont View Post
    A totally normal bodily function that happens once a month for half the population that affects athletic performance?

    My only question is what took them so long?
    Recognizing they could make a profit off the data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxtox View Post
    'in shock'...really?

    your friend needs to get to a fainting couch and have someone fan her until the 'vapors' subside...
    That's funny right there ;-)

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    America, the land of cheap (and gross) porn, need to stop being sexually shocked at anything having to do with the vagina. This is not 18th century Victorian England anymore, nor is it Saudi Arabia. Menstrual cycle, like the vagina and penis, is part of the reproductive system and the more we understand about it, the better informed we'll be.

    Now regarding privacy. I'm afraid in this day in age, privacy means jackshit. People have financial data spread across the globe the minute they sign up for a bank account and use a credit card. Their 401K plan info, their insurance info, their medical files, are somewhere in the cloud... and that means it's somewhere around the globe. They have facebook, instagram, strava, myfitness,... so their personal info and health vitals are being mined 24/7/365. Their job and what they do for a living is somewhere on their resumes on Indeed, Monster, LinkedIn, Careerbuilder, etc.

    You can't hide.

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    Only thing my GF doesn't like about this app is it doesn't work with her 935 yet. She's had all sorts of issues with periods from marathon/tri training, so thinks it's great.
    Also I wouldn't really call garmin connect a social media platform, it's a training platform with a smidge of social media. If you're that worried about datamining, then probably time to get off the internet completely.
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    Medical information is still protected information, and cannot be sold without express consent (anyone look at the Garmin privacy policy?). It can be agregrated and sold, but it has to be anonymized (there are ways with enough of a dataset to deanonymize) and grouped.

    Garmin has been collecting health data for decades through it's fitness tools. This is not much of a stretch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljvb View Post
    Medical information is still protected information, and cannot be sold without express consent (anyone look at the Garmin privacy policy?). It can be agregrated and sold, but it has to be anonymized (there are ways with enough of a dataset to deanonymize) and grouped.

    Garmin has been collecting health data for decades through it's fitness tools. This is not much of a stretch.
    Once all the data is collected, all wemin's cycles will be synced by our alien overlords who will impregnate them and give rise to super spawn who will rule us by proxy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akirasho View Post
    Once all the data is collected, all wemin's cycles will be synced by our alien overlords who will impregnate them and give rise to super spawn who will rule us by proxy.
    Help me understand...

    Is Garmin the alien overlord or the tool being used by our alien overlords?
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