MIPS Helmet

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  • 07-12-2019
    daniell
    MIPS Helmet
    I am thinking of upgrading my helmet to one incorporating MIPS. Is it a gimmick?

    Thanks
  • 07-12-2019
    cxwrench
    Nope.
  • 07-12-2019
    tomato coupe
    It's a gimmick. Processor speed isn't important for helmets.
  • 07-12-2019
    eddie m
    MIPS is a proprietary technology for which there is no standard test for effectiveness. From what I can tell, the only test is the one developed by the MIPS inventors, and even that test shows that MIPS is only effective if the helmet is strapped down tight. NO one wears their helmet that way.

    Some manufacturers are dropping MIPS becasue why would you pay a license fee for an unproven proprietary technology when you could develop your on unproven technology.

    Until there is a standard test for rotation injuries, I'll ignore MIPS and all the other similar claims.

    em, P.E.
  • 07-12-2019
    smokersteve
    Yep it is
  • 07-12-2019
    No Time Toulouse
    Is this from that Monty Python movie, the "Knights who say 'MIPS'?"
  • 07-12-2019
    PBL450
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eddie m View Post
    MIPS is a proprietary technology for which there is no standard test for effectiveness. From what I can tell, the only test is the one developed by the MIPS inventors, and even that test shows that MIPS is only effective if the helmet is strapped down tight. NO one wears their helmet that way.

    Some manufacturers are dropping MIPS becasue why would you pay a license fee for an unproven proprietary technology when you could develop your on unproven technology.

    Until there is a standard test for rotation injuries, I'll ignore MIPS and all the other similar claims.

    em, P.E.

    This. The Va Tech study... It really says the idea has promise. That’s as close as you will see real research get IMO. Partly because it’s HAF to study. I’d say it’s complete snake oil. Mostly because intervening variables in your, or any of a million crashes, number in the incalculable. From what we currently know it is equally as likely to increase your risk as decrease your risk. Others will disagree. That’s cool. Maybe there is research I’m not familiar with? No, not “research” done by the manufacturer... Peer review only. Please share, I’m truly curious. I’d love to see a model that can actually make a claim that is well founded.
  • 07-12-2019
    tomato coupe
  • 07-14-2019
    PBL450
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    Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post

    Thanks for the link. You will notice, Va Tech is not peer reviewed. The scholar that is peer reviewed in Football studies says meh, too many variables.
  • 07-14-2019
    No Time Toulouse
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    Originally Posted by PBL450 View Post
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    Thanks for the link. You will notice, Va Tech is not peer reviewed. The scholar that is peer reviewed in Football studies says meh, too many variables.

    That's pretty standard for bike technology. Remember Biopace? Got a lot of press for something that turned out to be mostly balderdash....
  • 07-14-2019
    Marc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by No Time Toulouse View Post
    That's pretty standard for bike technology. Remember Biopace? Got a lot of press for something that turned out to be mostly balderdash....

    The funny thing with MIPS....It exists (in theory and marketing anyway) to make up for the El Cheapo bottom-dollar way most helmets are made. Styrofoam shell strapped to your head directly--that cannot slip-plan on their own. Slip planing isn't new, it is just MIPS was able to patent it.

    Whereas people like CASCO (probably others) have been making helmets that use an internal "hammock" arrangement for comfort for years, that slip-planes anyway....and is more comfortable.
  • 07-14-2019
    mfdemicco
    I think the Bontrager Wavecell helmet has a better chance of preventing a concussion than unproven/untestable/unanalyzable MIPS.
  • 07-14-2019
    Marc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mfdemicco View Post
    I think the Bontrager Wavecell helmet has a better chance of preventing a concussion than unproven/untestable/unanalyzable MIPS.

    Well the VaTech helmet testing people disagree:

    https://www.helmet.beam.vt.edu/bicyc...t-ratings.html

    Which, given the Trek vs MIPS marketing war that is ongoing...is about as "unbiased" as we can get ATM about it.
  • 07-14-2019
    tomato coupe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PBL450 View Post

    Thanks for the link. You will notice, Va Tech is not peer reviewed.

    They have published previous studies of football and hockey helmets. They are very likely in the process of publishing the bike helmet study.

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    The scholar that is peer reviewed in Football studies says meh, too many variables.
    Nothing in the linked article about that.
  • 07-14-2019
    PBL450
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    Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
    Nothing in the linked article about that.

    “It is important to remember that every impact is a unique event. No rating system can prove if a specific helmet will or will not prevent, or even reduce the risk of concussion. This is why we encourage riders to choose a helmet that offers the most coverage that they’re willing to wear, that is designed to the most relevant standards for the riding they do, and to inspect and replace their helmet regularly.”

    You must have missed it.
  • 07-14-2019
    tomato coupe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PBL450 View Post
    The scholar that is peer reviewed in Football studies says meh, too many variables.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PBL450 View Post
    “It is important to remember that every impact is a unique event. No rating system can prove if a specific helmet will or will not prevent, or even reduce the risk of concussion. This is why we encourage riders to choose a helmet that offers the most coverage that they’re willing to wear, that is designed to the most relevant standards for the riding they do, and to inspect and replace their helmet regularly.”

    You must have missed it.

    That quote is not from a published paper about football helmets, it's just a comment from someone at Giro/Vista.
  • 07-14-2019
    PBL450
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
    That quote is not from a published paper about football helmets, it's just a comment from someone at Giro/Vista.

    I just looked back and I stand corrected. Much appreciated.