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    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
    Make sure you get red and not blue. Red is always the faster color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCSaltchucker View Post
    but really, it is not a very expensive hobby, so inventors have to make up some weird shgt like $400 jockey wheels so the enthusies can get their retail therapy ad nauseum.

    expensive hobbies:
    -flying planes
    -yachting
    -race cars
    -high limit tables
    -art collection
    -producing movies
    -private golf memership
    -car collection
    Just because there are even more expensive hobbies doesn't make this one inexpensive. When I add up all the $ I've spent on bikes, accessories, kit, race entries, travel to destinations, etc it adds up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCSaltchucker View Post
    but really, it is not a very expensive hobby, so inventors have to make up some weird shgt like $400 jockey wheels so the enthusies can get their retail therapy ad nauseum.

    expensive hobbies:
    -flying planes
    -yachting
    -race cars
    -high limit tables
    -art collection
    -producing movies
    -private golf memership
    -car collection
    Add horseback riding to this list too if you have your own horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by factory feel View Post
    Really! I bought one for $250 and it was a no-brainer. Planning on one for each bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabl10s View Post
    Really! I bought one for $250 and it was a no-brainer. Planning on one for each bike.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tabl10s View Post
    Really! I bought one for $250 and it was a no-brainer. Planning on one for each bike.
    Brilliant marketing. List them for $599 but sell for $250 which is still 5 times their value and buyers will think they got a sweet deal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    A) Dentist

    B) Lawyer

    C) Politician
    D) Sucker
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    I've got carbon aero wheels, Lord knows I don't need them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bvber View Post
    I was watching the recording of it while reading this thread. When I froze the frame, I noticed a bit of difference. The top pulley is much smaller. It was only the bottom pulley that looked similar to the picture posted.
    Version for 9100 is what you saw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddave12000 View Post
    Eh, last time I checked road biking is an expensive hobby - or at least it can be if you want the latest and greatest. This is an expensive piece of gear, but it doesn't strike me as crazy when compared to the rest of the high end road biking world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bvber View Post
    You think? Have you looked at the price of high end speaker cables? You know, for the audiophiles. It's tens of thousand$. And just like the above component, the real gain is in the minds and status symbol.
    You can hear the difference to a point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabl10s View Post
    Version for 9100 is what you saw.
    This is not what I saw on TV....


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    Quote Originally Posted by factory feel View Post
    I've got carbon aero wheels, Lord knows I don't need them.
    You don't need sex either but, like carbon aero wheels it feels really good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabl10s View Post
    You can hear the difference to a point.
    Not during double blind test which is the reason why the sellers won't commit to such test publicly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabl10s View Post
    You can hear the difference to a point.
    Oh yeah, you can hear the difference. They go $$cha-ching$$
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    Quote Originally Posted by bvber View Post
    Not during double blind test which is the reason why the sellers won't commit to such test publicly.
    Lots have been done, but we're getting off topic.
    Cheap bikes are great... because they're cheap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabl10s View Post
    Lots have been done, but we're getting off topic.
    I was once an audiophile and have been following the audio electronics for 20 years. No proof of high price audio cables making audible improvement has been found and what I mean by proof is something objective and repeatable, not opinions and speculations. On the other hand, a lot of claims, conjectures and marketing hypes have been found. It's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by factory feel View Post
    This is not what I saw on TV....

    I know. The Di2 version has a smaller top pulley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    Oh yeah, you can hear the difference. They go $$cha-ching$$
    Everything is "$$cha-ching$$". I'll take High-end Audio over a cheap system any day that also includes, shoes, clothes, food, housing and transportation.

    Everyone that has a limit complains about those who go above and beyond. Who here would willingly go back to wheels with 36 spokes, manual controlled tv's to watch M. A. S. H., Maude(if you could get the reception well enough with the aerial), batteries that didn't last, etc, etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabl10s View Post
    Everything is "$$cha-ching$$". I'll take High-end Audio over a cheap system any day that also includes, shoes, clothes, food, housing and transportation.
    Sure, if that makes you happy. For those who understand the real gain, they would allocate the funds to things that provide true gain, for example, room acoustics in audio.

    Everyone that has a limit complains about those who go above and beyond.
    Per your assessment, everyone complains. I mean who doesn't have a limit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabl10s View Post
    Everything is "$$cha-ching$$". I'll take High-end Audio over a cheap system any day that also includes, shoes, clothes, food, housing and transportation.

    Everyone that has a limit complains about those who go above and beyond. Who here would willingly go back to wheels with 36 spokes, manual controlled tv's to watch M. A. S. H., Maude(if you could get the reception well enough with the aerial), batteries that didn't last, etc, etc...
    My point was if you want to spend money on audio where it will really matter, look at your speakers. That is where you will notice the differece. I guarantee you that good quality high end speakers with cheap wires will sound great. Expensive high end wires with cheap speakers will sound s#!tty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    My point was if you want to spend money on audio where it will really matter, look at your speakers. That is where you will notice the differece. I guarantee you that good quality high end speakers with cheap wires will sound great. Expensive high end wires with cheap speakers will sound s#!tty.
    I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    My point was if you want to spend money on audio where it will really matter, look at your speakers. That is where you will notice the differece. I guarantee you that good quality high end speakers with cheap wires will sound great. Expensive high end wires with cheap speakers will sound s#!tty.
    Not to forget that good speakers in a room with poor acoustics will sound s#itty too. I've been in one before where the speakers were over $10K a pair and all other components were high end stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bvber View Post
    Not to forget that good speakers in a room with poor acoustics will sound s#itty too. I've been in one before where the speakers were over $10K a pair and all other components were high end stuff.
    I agree. Was going to post my system, but I don't feel like going through more BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabl10s View Post
    I agree. Was going to post my system, but I don't feel like going through more BS.
    maybe discreetly list it in your sig with all your bikes.

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