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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    Deftly reaching down is a more elegant way of shifting compared to whacking the brake levers, always seemed to me. But what do I know. Never rode STI.
    Clearly nothing. Nobody 'wacks' their brake levers.

    Hilarious for someone who's never used something to pretend to know about it.
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    Try googling or plugging into Ebay "Shimano Claris Shifters".

    I think Claris is still 8-speed so if I'm right I'd have to guess there are plenty being sold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Strongbow View Post
    Try googling or plugging into Ebay "Shimano Claris Shifters".

    I think Claris is still 8-speed so if I'm right I'd have to guess there are plenty being sold.
    Appreciate the suggestion. The bad shifter is allegedly repaired so well see how it turns out once I get it back on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    Clearly nothing. Nobody 'wacks' their brake levers.

    Hilarious for someone who's never used something to pretend to know about it.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to tlg again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rdub231 View Post
    Appreciate the suggestion. The bad shifter is allegedly repaired so well see how it turns out once I get it back on.
    Could you please post where you sent it to get it fixed? A link would be cool if they have an on-line presence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Strongbow View Post
    Could you please post where you sent it to get it fixed? A link would be cool if they have an on-line presence.
    See post #15.

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    ***Update... Whatever repair was done on the non-functional shifter was successful. I had the LBS mount everything back up and all is good. Nothing but positives to say about the repair. It was turned around quickly and sent back promptly. And its working well. Cant argue with the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to tlg again.


    You guys are big bullies. I HAVE ridden STI shifters and gave up any lust to change over. This was back in primitive 10 speed days, though.

    I always appreciated that down tube shifter movements are in line with the direction of the bike, as are the the brake levers, wheels, crank, chain, all dedicated to forward momentum. Reaching down and hitting them quickly wouldn't upset directional stability nor catch the headwind. With practice, sure, one can tweak it deftly out on the edge of the handlebars, but pushing levers sideways never made sense to me. So went back to down tube shifters, which would be period appropriate for that Epic.

    But what the heck, if ya wanna to go with the herd, do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    You guys are big bullies. I HAVE ridden STI shifters and gave up any lust to change over. This was back in primitive 10 speed days, though.

    I always appreciated that down tube shifter movements are in line with the direction of the bike, as are the the brake levers, wheels, crank, chain, all dedicated to forward momentum. Reaching down and hitting them quickly wouldn't upset directional stability nor catch the headwind. With practice, sure, one can tweak it deftly out on the edge of the handlebars, but pushing levers sideways never made sense to me. So went back to down tube shifters, which would be period appropriate for that Epic.

    But what the heck, if ya wanna to go with the herd, do it.
    Oh come on, you have to admit TLG's reply was funny. Bullies? You seem to have survived.

    Now let's put on our thinking caps here. If you're a rider who normally rests their your on the hoods, how is moving your hand down to shift a friction downtube shifter more efficient than simply moving a finger inward without moving your hand? It's all right there with the brake lever. How the eff does moving a finger upset directional stability or catch a headwind?

    It really sounds like you tried STI's once or maybe a few times and didn't give them a chance. Don't sweat it, you're a Luddite for sure and I am admittedly a Luddite in a few ways - I have no interest in tubeless or e-shifters, but I've moved into the 21st Century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    You guys are big bullies.
    Pointing out the fact that you're criticizing something you have zero experience with is not being a bully. It's merely pointing out a fact.


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    But what do I know. Never rode STI.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    I HAVE ridden STI shifters and gave up any lust to change over.
    And now I'll point out the fact that you're a liar.

    People are free to judge the value of your opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    Pointing out the fact that you're criticizing something you have zero experience with is not being a bully. It's merely pointing out a fact.



    And now I'll point out the fact that you're a liar.

    People are free to judge the value of your opinion.
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    I rode a friend's aluminum bike for a whole week, but never owned STI. Luddite, no question. I kept looped cable brake levers until several years ago I trashed one out in a crash, and replaced with a nice set of Cane Creek aeros. Also went back to 6 speeds from 7 speeds.

    Did some thinking about the issue, however. Yes, Lombard, right on. There's a caveat, however.

    If the hands are always on the hoods, yes, STI is instantly responsive. Just shift with the fingers without moving the hands off the hoods, clearly superior to down tube shifters. But that's it.

    Trouble is, I ride mostly on the tops, always have. When going hard, hands go to the hoods, and I'm not thinking about changing gears. With 10 speeds I discovered, "Hey, this is great. I can shift like crazy! Go full on, very aggressive." Cruising along at a relaxed aerobic pace, the hands draped over the tops, makes much more sense to reach down to shift, than out on the brake levers. Brake levers are in the right spot to hold the bike steady slowing down rapidly.

    From the tops, down tube shifting is more laid back. I'm also not always searching for the right gear only to maintain the preferred leg speed. The grades always change more than one gear, so I had to click through a couple of gears on STI to find the right cadence.

    With only 6 speeds, the legs pick up a faster cadence on the down shifts, allowing a few soft, rapid pedal strokes to clear out lactic acid, something I always missed on STI. The legs got no relief. I found that very frustrating. Pickup cadences on 8 speed down shifts would probably be about right.

    So there ya go, different strokes for different folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    I rode a friend's aluminum bike for a whole week, so no, no lie. I never owned STI.
    Nope. Now you're trying to change what you said. You didn't say you 'never owned STI'.

    You said you 'Never rode STI'. Then you said you "HAVE ridden STI "

    One of those was a lie.



    Trouble is, I ride mostly on the tops, always have.
    Sounds like a stupid way to ride never having access to your brakes in an emergency.

    But we all remember your years of bragging how you're an amazing climber going up 20% climbs in your 42-23.

    Tell us about your amazing shifting skills going up steep climbs and shifting down tube shifters while riding the tops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    Nope. Now you're trying to change what you said. You didn't say you 'never owned STI'.

    You said you 'Never rode STI'. Then you said you "HAVE ridden STI "

    One of those was a lie.



    Sounds like a stupid way to ride never having access to your brakes in an emergency.

    But we all remember your years of bragging how you're an amazing climber going up 20% climbs in your 42-23.

    Tell us about your amazing shifting skills going up steep climbs and shifting down tube shifters while riding the tops.

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    5% climbs in 44-22, on tubular tires, in my arrogant youth.

    No argument. In urban warfare, hands on hoods, always. And yeah, shifting from the hoods is right there.

    As far as down tube shifting in traffic, you have one hand on the hoods holding the line. No problem! Soft pedal two seconds. Done. Some guys could do that really cool.

    I also never shift climbing. I'm always already in the lowest gear.

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