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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    Deftly reaching down is a more elegant way of shifting compared to whacking the brake levers, always seemed to me. But what do I know. Never rode STI.
    Clearly nothing. Nobody 'wacks' their brake levers.

    Hilarious for someone who's never used something to pretend to know about it.
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    Try googling or plugging into Ebay "Shimano Claris Shifters".

    I think Claris is still 8-speed so if I'm right I'd have to guess there are plenty being sold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Strongbow View Post
    Try googling or plugging into Ebay "Shimano Claris Shifters".

    I think Claris is still 8-speed so if I'm right I'd have to guess there are plenty being sold.
    Appreciate the suggestion. The bad shifter is allegedly repaired so we’ll see how it turns out once I get it back on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    Clearly nothing. Nobody 'wacks' their brake levers.

    Hilarious for someone who's never used something to pretend to know about it.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to tlg again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rdub231 View Post
    Appreciate the suggestion. The bad shifter is allegedly repaired so we’ll see how it turns out once I get it back on.
    Could you please post where you sent it to get it fixed? A link would be cool if they have an on-line presence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Strongbow View Post
    Could you please post where you sent it to get it fixed? A link would be cool if they have an on-line presence.
    See post #15.

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    ***Update... Whatever repair was done on the non-functional shifter was successful. I had the LBS mount everything back up and all is good. Nothing but positives to say about the repair. It was turned around quickly and sent back promptly. And it’s working well. Can’t argue with the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to tlg again.


    You guys are big bullies. I HAVE ridden STI shifters and gave up any lust to change over. This was back in primitive 10 speed days, though.

    I always appreciated that down tube shifter movements are in line with the direction of the bike, as are the the brake levers, wheels, crank, chain, all dedicated to forward momentum. Reaching down and hitting them quickly wouldn't upset directional stability nor catch the headwind. With practice, sure, one can tweak it deftly out on the edge of the handlebars, but pushing levers sideways never made sense to me. So went back to down tube shifters, which would be period appropriate for that Epic.

    But what the heck, if ya wanna to go with the herd, do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    You guys are big bullies. I HAVE ridden STI shifters and gave up any lust to change over. This was back in primitive 10 speed days, though.

    I always appreciated that down tube shifter movements are in line with the direction of the bike, as are the the brake levers, wheels, crank, chain, all dedicated to forward momentum. Reaching down and hitting them quickly wouldn't upset directional stability nor catch the headwind. With practice, sure, one can tweak it deftly out on the edge of the handlebars, but pushing levers sideways never made sense to me. So went back to down tube shifters, which would be period appropriate for that Epic.

    But what the heck, if ya wanna to go with the herd, do it.
    Oh come on, you have to admit TLG's reply was funny. Bullies? You seem to have survived.

    Now let's put on our thinking caps here. If you're a rider who normally rests their your on the hoods, how is moving your hand down to shift a friction downtube shifter more efficient than simply moving a finger inward without moving your hand? It's all right there with the brake lever. How the eff does moving a finger upset directional stability or catch a headwind?

    It really sounds like you tried STI's once or maybe a few times and didn't give them a chance. Don't sweat it, you're a Luddite for sure and I am admittedly a Luddite in a few ways - I have no interest in tubeless or e-shifters, but I've moved into the 21st Century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    You guys are big bullies.
    Pointing out the fact that you're criticizing something you have zero experience with is not being a bully. It's merely pointing out a fact.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    But what do I know. Never rode STI.
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    I HAVE ridden STI shifters and gave up any lust to change over.
    And now I'll point out the fact that you're a liar.

    People are free to judge the value of your opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    Pointing out the fact that you're criticizing something you have zero experience with is not being a bully. It's merely pointing out a fact.



    And now I'll point out the fact that you're a liar.

    People are free to judge the value of your opinion.
    Exposed!

    I rode a friend's aluminum bike for a whole week, but never owned STI. Luddite, no question. I kept looped cable brake levers until several years ago I trashed one out in a crash, and replaced with a nice set of Cane Creek aeros. Also went back to 6 speeds from 7 speeds.

    Did some thinking about the issue, however. Yes, Lombard, right on. There's a caveat, however.

    If the hands are always on the hoods, yes, STI is instantly responsive. Just shift with the fingers without moving the hands off the hoods, clearly superior to down tube shifters. But that's it.

    Trouble is, I ride mostly on the tops, always have. When going hard, hands go to the hoods, and I'm not thinking about changing gears. With 10 speeds I discovered, "Hey, this is great. I can shift like crazy! Go full on, very aggressive." Cruising along at a relaxed aerobic pace, the hands draped over the tops, makes much more sense to reach down to shift, than out on the brake levers. Brake levers are in the right spot to hold the bike steady slowing down rapidly.

    From the tops, down tube shifting is more laid back. I'm also not always searching for the right gear only to maintain the preferred leg speed. The grades always change more than one gear, so I had to click through a couple of gears on STI to find the right cadence.

    With only 6 speeds, the legs pick up a faster cadence on the down shifts, allowing a few soft, rapid pedal strokes to clear out lactic acid, something I always missed on STI. The legs got no relief. I found that very frustrating. Pickup cadences on 8 speed down shifts would probably be about right.

    So there ya go, different strokes for different folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    I rode a friend's aluminum bike for a whole week, so no, no lie. I never owned STI.
    Nope. Now you're trying to change what you said. You didn't say you 'never owned STI'.

    You said you 'Never rode STI'. Then you said you "HAVE ridden STI "

    One of those was a lie.



    Trouble is, I ride mostly on the tops, always have.
    Sounds like a stupid way to ride never having access to your brakes in an emergency.

    But we all remember your years of bragging how you're an amazing climber going up 20% climbs in your 42-23.

    Tell us about your amazing shifting skills going up steep climbs and shifting down tube shifters while riding the tops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    Nope. Now you're trying to change what you said. You didn't say you 'never owned STI'.

    You said you 'Never rode STI'. Then you said you "HAVE ridden STI "

    One of those was a lie.



    Sounds like a stupid way to ride never having access to your brakes in an emergency.

    But we all remember your years of bragging how you're an amazing climber going up 20% climbs in your 42-23.

    Tell us about your amazing shifting skills going up steep climbs and shifting down tube shifters while riding the tops.

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    No argument. In urban warfare, hands on hoods, always. And yeah, shifting from the hoods is right there.

    As far as down tube shifting in traffic, you have one hand on the hoods holding the line. No problem! Soft pedal two seconds. Done. Some guys could do that really cool.

    I also never shift climbing. I'm always already in the lowest gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    Pointing out the fact that you're criticizing something you have zero experience with is not being a bully. It's merely pointing out a fact.

    People are free to judge the value of your opinion.
    OK lets consider this.

    Lombard never rides in the drops.
    He set's up all his road bikes:
    Bars - Maximum Spacers Under Stem High.
    Stem - Flipped Up Positive.
    Bar Rotation - Up Hoods High
    Seat/ Bar Ratio - Level

    It's absurd. I get the impression some folks posting can't even properly ride a road bike... Let alone give advice about performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rudge66 View Post
    OK lets consider this.

    Lombard never rides in the drops.
    He set's up all his road bikes:
    Bars - Maximum Spacers Under Stem High.
    Stem - Flipped Up Positive.
    Bar Rotation - Up Hoods High
    Seat/ Bar Ratio - Level

    It's absurd. I get the impression some folks posting can't even properly ride a road bike... Let alone give advice about performance.
    What's absurd is that you can't admit that there are riders that don't fit the same way you seem to think everyone should. You really should just give up. No one here...no one...takes you seriously. We all just wait to see what drivel you'll come up w/ next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    Nope. Now you're trying to change what you said. You didn't say you 'never owned STI'.

    You said you 'Never rode STI'. Then you said you "HAVE ridden STI "

    One of those was a lie.
    ....
    I think we've already ascertained the Freddy has been showing the signs of early-onset dementia for some time now. So, what we all need to do is politely nod, and say "OK, grandpa" and he'll stop his delusional rantings.....eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Time Toulouse View Post
    I think we've already ascertained the Freddy has been showing the signs of early-onset dementia for some time now. So, what we all need to do is politely nod, and say "OK, grandpa" and he'll stop his delusional rantings.....eventually.
    Tolouse,
    I know you are playing..
    At least Fredrico ride drops ! and know's a road bike.
    I'm concerned bout cwrench getting sucked down the puppet tube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rudge66 View Post
    Tolouse,
    I know you are playing..
    At least Fredrico ride drops ! and know's a road bike.
    I'm concerned bout cwrench getting sucked down the puppet tube.
    Dood, give it a rest. You put this crap in every response in every thread.

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    hey I'm concerned about Goobers Posting in threads about bikes that they can't ride.

    Specifically Road Bikes.


    Toulouse, Fredrico, .... well at least they ride in the drop.
    At least they can talk about a road frame's performance; what it might feel like to put some power into it.. and often even some troubleshooting re; this older shifter config.

    I don't think The Prairie Dog can do that...
    At least I need to admit I lack confidence in his ride position .
    However, let me be again the first to accept Lombard's full explanation.
    No need to slap about Tou, or Fr , or Me ...

    I really think this Forum has a huge disconnect re peoples needs.
    Particularly a new rider, that wants to try road riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    What's absurd is that you can't admit that there are riders that don't fit the same way you seem to think everyone should. You really should just give up. No one here...no one...takes you seriously. We all just wait to see what drivel you'll come up w/ next.

    Look before you get sucked into the hole. *

    If your going to buy a Road Bike...
    You should na na not be making major fit geo adjustments*
    Must Avoid*
    #1. Maximum Spacers Under Stem ? ****
    #3. SwapTo Shorter Stem?***
    #5. Flip Positive Stem Rise?***
    #8 . Rotate Hoods Up? ****
    #12. Shove Saddle Forward? ****
    #14 Numb Hands? ****

    I fully yield to the fit expert Lombard *.
    To entertain more drivel.
    I shall refer to a Comfort Position Of Prairie Dog Road Scale *
    And seriously, I think it sad that this happens far too often.
    I see a ton a bad fits when I ride.
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    Rudge, you'll be eating your words one day, it will happen before you realize it!

    Then there will be the rising of the new thread dredge for big laufs!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rudge66 View Post
    Look before you get sucked into the hole. *

    If your going to buy a Road Bike...
    You should na na not be making major fit geo adjustments*
    Must Avoid*
    #1. Maximum Spacers Under Stem ? ****
    #3. SwapTo Shorter Stem?***
    #5. Flip Positive Stem Rise?***
    #8 . Rotate Hoods Up? ****
    #12. Shove Saddle Forward? ****
    #14 Numb Hands? ****

    I fully yield to the fit expert Lombard *.
    To entertain more drivel.
    I shall refer to a Comfort Position Of Prairie Dog Road Scale *
    And seriously, I think it sad that this happens far too often.
    I see a ton a bad fits when I ride.
    Are you drunk when you post this crap? Random symbols all over...what do they mean? Why are you obsessed w/ this 'prairie dog' position? You know what's really sad? When people like you feel the need for attention so much that you resort to anything that gets it...good or bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rudge66 View Post
    I see a ton a bad fits when I ride.
    Are the people you see, riding?
    Are they doing so in relative comfort?
    Then the only thing “bad” here is your narrow (slammed, stretched, “aero”) view.


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    Rudge, you are very wrong and very insulting. Why do you resort to being insulting when you have been proven wrong over and over again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    Clearly nothing. Nobody 'wacks' their brake levers.

    Hilarious for someone who's never used something to pretend to know about it.
    Man, do you hit your brake levers, too? Maybe hammer your pedals? OK, grandpa, maybe you should go back to high-wheelers, and let us non-luddites use what works better?
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