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    Quote Originally Posted by SPlKE View Post
    Not necessarily. My shoes fit perfectly for most rides I do.

    However, on very long rides, especially on very hot days, I think my feet swell a bit after 20 to 30 miles of hard riding.

    And even after I loosen the straps a bit, the shoes are still fit to my foot well enough that I don't notice any adverse effects, even on hard, standing climbs.
    Good point, feet definitely swell from increased blood flow. If you can adjust the shoe to accommodate that then itís a win. If you can choose a shoe that fits properly when swollen that addresses the lack of proper fit. An athletic shoe application fits when it works properly under the stress of the activity. The shoe will work fine in the period prior to blood flow expansion when it is slightly a lager fit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PBL450 View Post
    You know, you might be one of the few people that need a custom shoe. The riot is a good shoe. But it is generic. I struggle to say how a custom differs in shape and I canít ever get a pic to work on this site... but the toe area shouldnít be a rounded weird thing that a human foot has never seen but all shoes seem to favor... while not cheap, I have had customs made that are amazing for speedskating, a far more brutal sport on the shoe/foot interaction. Happy to help further if this a route you want to explore. Granted, I offer one of a great many possible explanations/solutions... and it is an expensive one.
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    Wow, the pic worked!! So, not as subtle as it looks, that is much more of a human toe/forefoot design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mapei View Post
    Do you pull upwards on the pedals every once in a while? So you can separate the bottom of your feet from the soles? I've had my toe numbness issues, too, and I've gotten temporary relief with this. You might also try riding sockless. Not only does it lend me a hair more wiggle room, it's something that allows me to better grip the insoles of the shoes with my toes, all the better to exercise my toes to keep the blood circulating.
    Years ago I had a pair of shoes that just didn't work well with my feet, and o0ne of my big toes ached and got painful on some rides. Pulling up was a helpful technique to relieve the pain during a long ride. But it didn't solve the problem, and even after changing shoes it would sometimes come back. Finally, I just started massaging my toe at the base (ball of the foot) hoping it would help. No effect. That is, until a few days later I noticed that the pain was gone. It took me a few repeats to accept that even though the massage made no difference when I did it, it made a big differenece a a few days later.

    Now all I have to do is massage the toe for a few seconds any time I get that pain, and it's gone the next day. Sometimes all the adjustments you can make will not solve the problem, so try a little massage.

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    I haven't read this but there may be some information that would apply.

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    lacofdfireman, I was having some bad issues with my feet when I got back on the bike and found that I needed some cleat wedges and a leg length shim (left leg shorter than right), which took away my feet pain and discomfort, but the left side would still get numb at times. I did some research and eventually had a nerve conductive velocity test done and found that I had a damaged Sural nerve. I've dealt with this issue for many years and now at least I know the cause; one day I will go see the "needle doctor" (i.e. acupuncture) to see if anything can be done about it; the regular doctors want to feed me pills (ain't happening).

    The cleat wedges and shims did a lot of good to get my feet to sit on the pedals just as I stand (Supination) vs forcing my feet flat on the pedals causing major burning sensation and numbness. I was no longer in agony and hating riding my bike.

    I purchased the wedge kit, shims and fitting tool from Bikefit.

    https://www.bikefit.com/
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    I also concur with the others that you need to move your cleats way back.

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    I used to have toe pain and numbness after 30 miles or so. My cleats were at about center, I moved them back 1/8' and the left foot was good, right was still bothering me ( I have a smaller right large toe) , I moved the right another 1/8 and that was also good. Now I can go over 100 miles and no toes pain or numbness.
    Also pulling on your pedals instead of pushing down on them will not only put you in a better rotating position , but will help with general discomfort.

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    Innervation of your toes originates in the sacral plexus (a collection of nerves exiting your two lowest lumbar vertebrae and your sacrum), from which the sciatic nerve arises. The sciatic nerve gives rise to branches that innervate the majority of your lower leg, almost your entire foot, and all of your toes. And yes, each of these branches has a name.

    To determine what nerve(s) is/are being impinged upon, you need to pay very close attention to what parts of your leg and foot are getting numb. Which toes? Top of toes? Bottom of toes?

    If itís all of your toes and none of your leg, then itís likely an issue related to your shoes squeezing your foot. If the areas of numbness are more complicated than that, then take account of what is numb and what isnít, and see your doctor with this information carefully documented.

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    Thanks everyone for all the suggestions. I thought I had it figured out moving my cleats back from center. My left toes were good the first ride but my right ones still got numb on the outside toes on the bottom of my toes. But now after riding again they are both going numb again. So Iím thinking itís got to be back related. I injured my back years ago at work lifting some people out of a train car from a wreck and itís never been the same since. I also get numbness on the bottom side of my thighs even just sitting. At this point I may just hang up cycling and move on. It will be tough as much as I enjoy it but it just is not working for me right now. But I am going to go see and talk to my back specialist about it and see if he thinks it could be related. Hopefully they can figure something out. If not Iíll just stick to motorcycles for my 2 wheel fix until I can figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lacofdfireman View Post
    Thanks everyone for all the suggestions. I thought I had it figured out moving my cleats back from center. My left toes were good the first ride but my right ones still got numb on the outside toes on the bottom of my toes. But now after riding again they are both going numb again. So Iím thinking itís got to be back related. I injured my back years ago at work lifting some people out of a train car from a wreck and itís never been the same since. I also get numbness on the bottom side of my thighs even just sitting. At this point I may just hang up cycling and move on. It will be tough as much as I enjoy it but it just is not working for me right now. But I am going to go see and talk to my back specialist about it and see if he thinks it could be related. Hopefully they can figure something out. If not Iíll just stick to motorcycles for my 2 wheel fix until I can figure it out.
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    I'm going to think left field here but have you been to a chiropractor and had a realingment done? The back injury also fits in with what I suspect maybe bad posture (from the injury, well done on that BTW) throwing your gait and movement out of kilter. I also suspect that you aren't as flexible as you could be, me too. I don't know what part of the US you are in but I'd be looking for the most recommended sports chiropractor you can find and give them a couple of treatments to see if getting everything lined up doesn't help. the numbness under the thigh to my untrained mind suggests nerves and not circulation. You are also a big guy so I presume you have been to the doctor and been checked for pre-diabetes? Don't sell your bike (it's a good one). Hope you find this encouraging and good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lacofdfireman View Post
    Thanks everyone for all the suggestions. I thought I had it figured out moving my cleats back from center. My left toes were good the first ride but my right ones still got numb on the outside toes on the bottom of my toes. But now after riding again they are both going numb again. So Iím thinking itís got to be back related. I injured my back years ago at work lifting some people out of a train car from a wreck and itís never been the same since. I also get numbness on the bottom side of my thighs even just sitting. At this point I may just hang up cycling and move on. It will be tough as much as I enjoy it but it just is not working for me right now. But I am going to go see and talk to my back specialist about it and see if he thinks it could be related. Hopefully they can figure something out. If not Iíll just stick to motorcycles for my 2 wheel fix until I can figure it out.
    I have the same issue when sitting too long - I get numbness at the back of my left thigh, similar to a pinch nerve feeling. Years ago, as a teenager, I fell when jumping over a fence and onto a tree root on my left cheek bone and I've never been the same.

    See my post above as I talk about the same issue and what I did to narrow down the problem and to ease some of the pain while riding. Get a nerve conductive test done to see if there's a bad nerve. I have a stretch that I do which loosens the muscle around the nerve and takes away the pain and not just for riding, but everyday living. It really works. Additionally, I stretch while sitting at my desk at work; I sit up and cross one leg over top of the opposite thigh and it is similar to the exercise done in the 1st video, except you are sitting up (see 2nd video).

    Don't give up yet. If nothing else, just ride the number of miles just before the point when the pain sets in until you can figure things out, that way you can still get in some rides.

    Check out the video. The stretches really help to relieve the pain.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLdUHiJhvGM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zXWCVlPEb4&t=7s
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    I have had issues with toe numbness, and have been diagnosed with a neuroma, or "pre-dislocation syndrome." Likely stems from years of putting my very wide feet in shoes that weren't wide enough. Although it sounds as if your problem is different, here's some things that have helped. First, a question, though: Do you have pain in bottom of your foot directly behind the toes after a ride? If so, you may have a condition similar to mine, or, if no pain, perhaps yours isn't as far along.

    At any rate, some things to try along with the cleat relocation:

    1. Find shoes with the widest toe box possible. For me, Sidi Megas are the best I've found.

    2. Make sure you are not constantly applying pressure to the pedals, even on the upstroke. It's something that's surprisingly easy to do. Fixing this will also make you faster.

    3. Kinesio tape. The elastic tape you see athletes using on various appendages. There's a way to tape the second toe (next to the big toe) to pull it down. Search Youtube for "KT tape neuroma". This has been a lifesaver for me. It hasn't eliminated the numbness problem, but greatly alleviated it and pretty much eliminated the pain.

    It may be worth seeing a podiatrist if you discover that it's not related to your back problem. I did, and that's how I got the diagnosis. The ironic part is nothing he suggested or did (e.g. orthotics and cortisone shots) helped. It was finding the tape solution by searching that did the trick, but I needed the diagnosis to find the solution.

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