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    Quote Originally Posted by 11spd View Post
    Point is ff, the goalposts have moved. Disc brakes were projected to be all over the peloton in this year's TdF. Even if they aren't perceived to be an advantage, by virtue of pure promotion they were expected. Hasn't turned out that way.
    Indeed they have..."11spd" is so 5 years old. Cool kids now have 13 speed.

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    wait, I saw some while watching... on Specialised bikes too... i think it was quick step (it was #101)

    also at least 2 guys on treks.
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    where are the disc brakes in the TdF?? why on the podium, in Yellow, and in Green today, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCSaltchucker View Post
    where are the disc brakes in the TdF?? why on the podium, in Yellow, and in Green today, lol

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    I know you guys are struggling to understand. Precisely the point. Gaviria won on discs. Of course the Venge because the way it is designed won't stop with rim brakes...lol. A little secret the bicycle illiterate don't know was the Venge in its first edition was originally designed for disc brakes until the UCI ban changed the course of the design toward rim brake which was a disaster.

    Point is, riders can win on disc. Look at the five stages last year's greatest sprinter won on his Venge VIAS disc Marcel Kittel?...who came in 3rd this year in stage one. Kittel now doesn't get the lead out from his new team and so it maybe Gaviria who gets all the glory this year.

    So disc brakes don't slow down the top sprinters when aero drag at the highest speed is most critical. Its been proven. But in spite of that, the vast majority of the peloton is on rim brake bikes. That is the proverbial rub which defies why big brand bike makers sponsor teams...to sell their most expensive bikes they all offer in disc for highest profit. Even if at the pro level disc versus rim doesn't matter which is pretty clear, pros choose rim repeatedly...or teams do. Only plausible explanation is...the final say so is determined by the team mechanics..lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Scorcho View Post
    I am consistently baffled by how much people care about this particular discussion. Disc's work, rim brakes work, pick whichever you prefer and be done with it.

    It feels like everyone with a impassioned opinion either way is just trying to justify the decision they made to disc or not to disc.

    Please let this die.
    Honestly, you being baffled is as baffling as at this juncture with big bike brands going all in on disc that 'any' riders in the peloton are on rim brakes. Its been proven that each brake type work at the pro level...repeatedly. Ancillary to the point.

    You also don't understand, I have no dog in this hunt. I am not passionate about either brake type. I respect both brake types for their strengths and weaknesses having owned both. That further buttresses the incredulity of a dominant brake type. There shouldn't be but clearly is. That is the point you miss and others as well. This isn't two years ago when the debate raged. The debate no longer rages as of today. Rim brakes are dominant in the peloton when the path is clear for disc to dominate.

    Marketing and profit is why big bike brands spend thousands to showcase their flagship bikes which are highest profit. The fact you don't understand why this is noteworthy is an indictment against you. Why are you here if you know nothing of cycling?...lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    I've known terriers less persistent, and broken record players less broken.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Marc again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 11spd View Post
    Perhaps you guys don't follow the sport very closely. The TdF this season was supposed to be the coming out party for disc brakes so bike brands could celebrate the windfall. Didn't happen. UCI weight limit isn't the impediment. Disc brake bikes can come in at 15 lbs. Surprising really.
    Of the bikes I've noticed so far:

    Sky and Moviestar are on rim brakes (and assume Katusha).

    WGG is on disc brakes (Wilier).

    Bora and Quickstep are on discs (Specialized)

    Trek is on discs (Trek).

    Drapac is on discs (Cannondale)

    BMC is on discs (BMC)

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    Direct Energie on discs
    Lotto Soudal on discs (Ridley).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11spd View Post
    Honestly, you being baffled is as baffling as at this juncture with big bike brands going all in on disc that 'any' riders in the peloton are on rim brakes. Its been proven that each brake type work at the pro level...repeatedly. Ancillary to the point.

    You also don't understand, I have no dog in this hunt. I am not passionate about either brake type.
    I am sorry that you feel the need to malign my intellect. My comment, if you read it again, is regarding how passionate people are about this. I was not responding to your query as to why there is a lack of discs in the pro peleton.
    I will admit your point is mildly interesting, but I don't feel it deserves the ardent attention you are giving it. Especially when you add that you have no dog in the hunt. Methinks thou doth protest too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedalbiker View Post
    Direct Energie on discs
    Lotto Soudal on discs (Ridley).
    Pedalbiker, do you know the ratio of rim to disc brakes in the peloton?
    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Scorcho View Post
    I am sorry that you feel the need to malign my intellect. My comment, if you read it again, is regarding how passionate people are about this. I was not responding to your query as to why there is a lack of discs in the pro peleton.
    I will admit your point is mildly interesting, but I don't feel it deserves the ardent attention you are giving it. Especially when you add that you have no dog in the hunt. Methinks thou doth protest too much.
    And I believe your thinking is off whether you indict your own intellect or not. Whose passionate about it? Its just brakes. Its a subject...like how many bikes are carbon in the peloton...or how many have two and not three wheels.

    This is not a protest. It is commentary in a vacuum without substantive response...lol.
    Let's see...what else can you be wrong about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11spd View Post
    Pedalbiker, do you know the ratio of rim to disc brakes in the peloton?
    thanks
    No idea, just going off what I see on the tv. Doesn't seem anyone's done a big tech review yet, either, so hard to determine just off pics. Maybe in a few days they'll do a rundown of all the bikes.

    MTM looks to be on rim (Cervelo).
    FDJ on rim (Lapierre).

    Also possible that some guys on the same team are on rim and some on disc, though I'd think that'd cause issues with wheel changes.

    Curious to see how a disc wheel change goes, too, if they'll just change the whole bike or actually try to change the wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedalbiker View Post
    Curious to see how a disc wheel change goes, too, if they'll just change the whole bike or actually try to change the wheel.
    Bob Roll (or whoever the commentator is) was explaining this yesterday. They change the whole bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11spd View Post
    So disc brakes don't slow down the top sprinters when aero drag at the highest speed is most critical. Its been proven.
    They redesign the area of fork for more aero shape where the rim brake was. It's a wash. https://youtu.be/9HRhvIHUFG0?t=64

    But in spite of that, the vast majority of the peloton is on rim brake bikes.
    Possibly due to the issue I responded to above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bvber View Post
    They redesign the area of fork for more aero shape where the rim brake was. It's a wash. https://youtu.be/9HRhvIHUFG0?t=64


    Possibly due to the issue I responded to above.
    Agree...or pretty close

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    Quote Originally Posted by bvber View Post
    Bob Roll (or whoever the commentator is) was explaining this yesterday. They change the whole bike.
    Yes, seems to be the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedalbiker View Post
    No idea, just going off what I see on the tv. Doesn't seem anyone's done a big tech review yet, either, so hard to determine just off pics. Maybe in a few days they'll do a rundown of all the bikes.

    MTM looks to be on rim (Cervelo).
    FDJ on rim (Lapierre).

    Also possible that some guys on the same team are on rim and some on disc, though I'd think that'd cause issues with wheel changes.

    Curious to see how a disc wheel change goes, too, if they'll just change the whole bike or actually try to change the wheel.
    Will be interesting. Maybe more disc brakes in the race than I originally saw. Hoping there is a bike list published at some point as you say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11spd View Post
    Will be interesting. Maybe more disc brakes in the race than I originally saw. Hoping there is a bike list published at some point as you say.
    Maybe not many on "flat" stages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedalbiker View Post
    Direct Energie on discs
    Lotto Soudal on discs (Ridley).
    At least some of the BMC team are riding the new BMC TimeMachine Road 01 (It's disc only - not available in a Rim brake version).

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    I am sooooooo, sooooooooo tired of the disc vs rim threads.

    Just ride. You know what you need/prefer/want.
    It's to the point nobody cares.
    No body.

    edit: Moderators can there PUHLEASE be a new subforum = Disc vs Rim. Tired of seeing these threads everywhere but Retro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SantaCruz View Post
    I am sooooooo, sooooooooo tired of the disc vs rim threads.

    Just ride. You know what you need/prefer/want.
    It's to the point nobody cares.
    No body.

    edit: Moderators can there PUHLEASE be a new subforum = Disc vs Rim. Tired of seeing these threads everywhere but Retro.
    What is more tiring? You coming here and deriding the thread. Please go start your own threads or denigrate others.
    You miss the point as others have. This isn't about which brake type is better or what you or somebody else prefers. Nobody cares what you prefer or me. Its about bike makers going all in with disc brakes on the type of bikes that are raced in the TdF and yet the high presence of rim brake bikes. Its notable. It isn't finding a cure for the common cold. It is only an observation about brake type in the biggest tour of the year where bike brands showcase their wares to bend the arc of demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bvber View Post
    Maybe not many on "flat" stages.
    Another good point and of course thought of that when I posted. We all know the top riders ride different bikes for the same brand.
    Sagan was on his Venge disc for Stage 2 and we know the success he has had on his Tarmac with rim brakes and Roubaix he raced in the Classic race by the same name. An oddity which further bucks the disc trend is his custom built Roubaix which is only available as disc to the public, speaking of flat stages, for the Roubaix race Peter's Roubaix is rim brake. So much for adhering to what big manufacturers sell the public. Will be interesting if more tailoring occurs aka horses for courses and if Sagan is on his Tarmac on the climbing stages and whether it will be rim brake versus the first two flat stages he has been on his Venge starting the race this year where its pretty clear that aero is preferred. We know he will be on his time trial bike for stage 3 tomorrow.

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    Hey, there are three to four hundred reasons, as in extra dollars for disc brakes on retail road bikes v their rim counterparts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlobalGuy View Post
    Hey, there are three to four hundred reasons, as in extra dollars for disc brakes on retail road bikes v their rim counterparts.
    The whole point. Why pros aren't universally shilling what the big bike makers derive the most profit from i.e disc brakes. Many are of course. Way more disc brakes in this year's TdF than last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Marc again.


    gave it all to donna huh?
    Oh my, a troll who doesn't know the difference between your and you're. What will they think of next?

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