Why are you guys on time trial bikes on a road bike group ride so damn sensitive?
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    Angry Why are you guys on time trial bikes on a road bike group ride so damn sensitive?

    Yesterday on the group ride as things were getting quicker and about to get fast as we approched the county line. I noticed a new face on a TT bike. I told him that there was a sprint up ahead and he should be careful on that thing."What thing !", he said. Well If you cant figure it out you will tell him. His attitude was poor. It made me then want to tell him like it is. "Your riding on a TT bike, that thing is unstable, and I dont want you near me,really". "What are you talking about, you arrogant [email protected]$$ !" , He was all warmed up and going off on his little rant.I then tried to explain to him that those bike bikes are not made for sprinting on and he really should not be on a group ride on one.
    It is hard to talk to someone when they don't listen and only yell, so I rode away from him.
    We got up to sprint and the guy on the TT bike was not around then we were chilling out he came by on my left at a much higher speed saying,"Still have not falling yet!". I did not say anything. "Very proud of ya!", I thought.
    For the rest of the ride everytime he passed me he had a [email protected]$$ comment.
    "Why aren't you forming another attack"
    "Why don't you do the Mission Valley ride with all the other @$$h0les"
    Like a little nat he was getting on my nerves.
    "Drop it or drop me, Why don't you beat it!", I told him
    I noticed he had a 8-ball on his Jersey.
    "8-ball in the corner pocket, Its over!",I told him," Don't talk to me!"
    When we got back to the parking lot he was parked near me.
    Started telling everyone I was tring to tell him not to ride with us.
    Why don't you do a transition and go run!
    I should have never said anything to this JA.His brain is more unstable then his bike! When I tried to explain to him what happend he pushed me. I was clipped in on my bike still while he was standing on firm ground.I did not fall.This was it, I wanted to smash the guys face in. I went back to my car and put my bike on the roof. I was RED.
    I said at some point "I don't know you, you are a new face you dont know the ride, just wanted to tell you about a sprint that was going to develop!". " I been doing this ride for 5 years, I don't know you !",he said. Funny This ride has only been going on for 2 years. I was on the first ones when Ben stared them. I go to 75% of them. "My name is Tommy!"I told him. If he was going to talk some smack about me I wanted him to know who I was.
    I wanted to tell him more but I left. I was so pissed I wondered if I left my helmet on the roof!
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    Was he in a skinsuit and wearing an aero helmet?

    He actually pushed you? What a JA. At least you kept composure.

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    Yes there was pysical contact!

    It was my birthday too! JA ruined my BD ride! ;)

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    Now now...Let's not...

    Don't fall victim to generalizations. Yeah, some tri-guys have a tendancy to get all pissy. This guy was just an A$$. Glad to hear you maintained your composure. I'm not sure I would have been able to.
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    Group ride rules? Club ride? No TT bikes allowed, we don't even allow clip-on bars around here. Communicate the rules, it is safer for everyone.

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    I would have thumped him

    Although that would have been a mistake. You did the right thing... not sure how you managed it but you did the right thing none-the-less.

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    TT on group ride.

    Quote Originally Posted by the bull
    "My name is Tommy!"I told him. If he was going to talk some smack about me I wanted him to know who I was.
    Should have said "I'm Rich James B!tc|^" and slaped him. (Chappelle's Show ref)

    It cracks me up to see these guys on aero bars who can't sit up without keeping a line; to say nothing of reaching for the brakes.

    It is imposible to teach someone something that they think they already know.

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    Ditto on the aerobars being banned

    We tell em you can have aerobars on your bike but you can't use them for safety and insurance reasons ( we don't want to file a claim when the wreck happens). I haven't seen anyone come out yet with a full blown time trial bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spunout
    Group ride rules? Club ride? No TT bikes allowed, we don't even allow clip-on bars around here. Communicate the rules, it is safer for everyone.
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    Talking TT riders and PMS

    I know what you mean. Why do people get so *****y on a Sunday ride? I put my club down a notch last week when I pointed out that we all really do suck. You know, taking 5th in a Cat 4 ride when you have 40 entrants is not the world's greatest acomplishment. People act as if they are training for Athens or something.

    My latest laugh has been clowns who go out on Campy Aero wheels for a Sunday ride. Anyone save their good wheels for racing?

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    Talking

    Now time for my generalization. Nine out of the ten people that don't acknowledge my presence as I pass going in the opposite direction during a ride have aerobars. As one who does one triathlon a year (White Lake) I have found many of them to be ultra-sensative. I fear some may have little man's disease and need to put bars on the front of their bike to compensate for the small bar below. Just an observation.

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    No aero bars...

    Quote Originally Posted by bigrider
    Ditto on the aerobars being banned

    We tell em you can have aerobars on your bike but you can't use them for safety and insurance reasons.
    Yep...The big club near me has a rule stating no use of aero bars in group rides. Some people still use them occasionally when they get to the front. I won't ride behind anyone, that I don't know well, who uses them. Too unstable, no access to brakes, can't point out hazzards, etc. That's a dangerous combo when pulling a paceline. I'll start another paceline, pull ahead or drop way back.

    That being said, I've got no issues with someone riding their tri-bike in a group. While the geometery is not ideal, the biggest factor is the rider's ability. If he wants to go for a town line sprint, so be it.
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    From your post, I'm guessing that he was down on his aerobars when you talked to him. One way to get people to stop doing this on group rides, is to bump arms with him while going around. If that's a little too much for you, just crowd him every time you go past him. If he doesn't like getting bumped, tell him to go ride at the back.
    Ps. If he shows up on the ride again.......hook him.
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    Why did you open your mouth in the first place? Seems to me, you are the classic arrogant roadie you-know-what. You go up to someone you don't know and insult them solely based on the bike they are riding??? You deserve to get thumped.

    You don't know the guy. You don't know how he rides. So instead of welcoming him and being helpful, you tell him to keep himself and his "thing" out of the way. Very friendly of you.

    Next time, if you don't like a rider, or in your case, if you don't like their bike, make sure they are behind you and don't worry about them. And keep your trap shut.

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    I agree with Mohair. I don't know you and would not make a judgement from this, but you sank to his level by turning into a 12 year old child. As much as you were pi$$ed you should have kept in front and just ignored him from that point. I've found that ignoring someone often infuriates them more.

    Now I don't want to get off on a rant here, but...
    that's just my opinion I could be wrong.

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    Ok, I'll be the odd man out...IMHO, you shouldn't have said anything to him in the first place. Just because he was on a TT bike doesn't necessarily mean he couldn't handle it on a fast group ride...I've seen lots of guys riding their Tri bikes on fast group rides and do fine. Is it proper etiquette? No, but, as long as they stay off the aerobars, who cares? You had never seen him before...maybe he was good at it. Did he over react to your comment? Probably, but the whole incident could have been avoided if you would have just left it alone. If you see someone who looks like they shouldn't be on a ride, riding squirrelly on a Tri bike or whatever, just ride away from them...usually they get dropped anyway. TT or Tri guys ultrasensitive? Not in my experience. Poor group riders? Usually. My guess is that the guy was already worried about doing a fast group ride on a TT bike, and your comment, albeit well intentioned, sent him spinning out of control. I guess my point is that if you were truly worried about his safety and the safety of the group, how did this interaction help? Getting the two of you all jazzed up probably made it more dangerous for everyone. Personally, I doubt he will show up again...despite all his bravado.

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    Thumbs up Yeah you are right.

    I should have never said anything to him.
    I had a bad feeling though I felt uncomfortable and I always say what I think to the people around me, just like I do in this forum.

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    see earlier rant on similar theme

    bull, you have just encountered yet another category of Asterisk Set In Really Large Type:

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    Tho I do (somewhat) agree with some of the others that you might have been a tad less confrontational, the guy's response went beyond all common sense and proportion. Plus, unlike them, I actually get that you realise your original comment was a bit harsh, since I also read your mea culpas. Sorry to hear this episode jacked up your BD ride, dude. I had a stellar 4-hour solo climbing trek ruined by some sack-o-crap SUV jockey on Sunday, eh, what do you do?

    I'll gladly generalise by saying that an unholy amount of tri-geek types I've encountered here are pretty darned PRICKly as well. They are diligently discouraged on a number of the local club group rides, ostensibly for safety reasons but in reality because most of them manage to be irredeemable prats with a seething inferiority complex, and no, we DON'T actually want them playing in our sandbox, thanks all the same. They represent an evil b#stard offspring of Categories #1 and #3 in my earlier "crazy club rides" rant:

    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/sho...48011#poststop

    and tho I'll freely admit that I do sometimes engage in random acts of wankerous behaviour (and who, amongst us, does not?), these characters represent yet another reason why I tend to avoid public group rides in general.

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    LFR - that was a good laugh

    Your old post listing the type of riders showing up at group rides was a hoot. I was trying to figure out which category I fit into.

    Hmmmm....a little bit of all of them, but mostly the "Henpecked Spouse". I see myself in your description as the guy who tries to squeeze in as much riding time as possible inbetween family commitments. The guy who rides hard everytime he gets the chance 'cause he doesn't get the chance often enough. Oh yeah - stressing the part about the wife who doesn't understand her spouses' NEED to ride. Though I have given up the idea of racing. Its' no fun to get crushed becuase of lack of training time (OK - fitness, genetics, skills, etc...might have something to do with it too)
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    I disagree...

    Quote Originally Posted by mohair_chair
    Why did you open your mouth in the first place? Seems to me, you are the classic arrogant roadie you-know-what. You go up to someone you don't know and insult them solely based on the bike they are riding??? You deserve to get thumped.

    You don't know the guy. You don't know how he rides. So instead of welcoming him and being helpful, you tell him to keep himself and his "thing" out of the way. Very friendly of you.

    Next time, if you don't like a rider, or in your case, if you don't like their bike, make sure they are behind you and don't worry about them. And keep your trap shut.

    He did the exact opposite thing and tried to offer some advice to the guy that a sprint was coming up.... if that guy didn't know the ride and was in the middle of the pack when the others started their jumps, things could have gotten ugly, and fast.

    I wasn't there, so I don't know HOW it was said to this guy, but it seems to me that Bull did the right thing about warning the guy of the impending sprint. Where the conversation went from there and how it got out of control seems to be that the guy on the TT bike didn't understand that Bull was just giving him a friendly "head's up" and it seems he took it as him saying "there is a sprint coming up so you might as well turn back for home now..." which was not anything near the implied message. I think it just got misinterpreted and snowballed out of control from there. But if this side of the story is indeed how it went down, I think the TT bike guy was the moron, and not The Bull. But I admit I wasn't there, so I don't know what really happened.

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    PS, Happy Birthday Tommy.

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    Don't let anyone get you down for criticizing this guy. Your club should have a no-aerobar/tt-bar rule for the rides.

    He was riding a bike that is not legal for UCI/USCF mass start events for safety reasons, and he apparently was not skillfull enough to keep you from getting worried. Too bad it got so nasty but he could have hurt a bunch of people if he screwed up. It is not ridiculous to expect people to follow the same rules for a fast group ride as they would for a race. That bike is intended to be used to ride alone, not in a group, what was he accomplishing by riding it in the group? If he is such a tri-guy that he only owns a Tri/TT bike, he is not getting any real training benefit by going on a group ride. If he is serious enough to have multiple bikes, he should have known not to bring that one to the ride.

    Best medicine for these guys is just to drop them like they are standing still. Even so... that is ridiculous, I've never seen anyone show up a serious group ride with illegal bars. It is only seriously out of shape riders going 15mph on the aerobars around here most of the time, and they would never show up for a "serious" ride. There is one loop I will see legitimate TT/Tri specialists riding in full aero gear around here, and they are always riding alone. Kind of hard to assess your TT performance & setup when you're drafting someone.

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    .....8-Ball jersey....that must have been David Puddy..

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    ohh man this is rich baby!

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    Learys' song!! (my favorite line from that Beth is ""you drive super slow in the fast lane because your an...do da da do"") =D damn this forum is deep with comedic potential we rarely see anymore here on RBR.

    Just one comment, don't you find these interactions and contentious remarks from guys in lycra on unstable shoes just to damn funny to get really upset over? Everytime I get spit on by another rider, have some driver lean out his car window at 55 mph and scream Pu$$y!!!! at me or anytime some cracker who thinks he is better then the next pouts HOLD YOUR LINE! a feeling of giddy hystaria over comes me. It really is good material for comedy. I commend you for not getting pyhsical after being pushed. Well done!

    Of course crashing and accidents are never fun or funny. Our self awareness should be able to prevent awkward or dangerous circumstances well in advance especially on group rides. After all, despite being students of the bike, making incredible sacrifice of time, money and anything else outside of cycling or required of it; we are here to find an outlet, an escape that is fun and competitive. Our attraction to cycling is unique and many do not understand the demands it takes to be at the top of the game. Certainly we all lose our composure from time to time but unless it is a hard crit and someone is boxing you in to close to the cement wall or side walk.....who really cares if they guy in front of you is not taking his full turn at the front during the paceline, or is wearing something stupid, or uses race wheels, or rides a huffy, or is dressed in a postal kit, or talks alot. Make sure your certain to be where you want to be in a group ride, if your not thats your fault not theirs.

    My first race of the season, a friend refused to take pulls in the final mile of a hill climb and ended up winning the race. The guys that placed 3 places down from him refused to shake his hand and admonished him for not doing more work. HAH! That is a perfect example. You control very little in life much less riding a frign bike fighting for space on any road, but what you do control is your own behavior all the time. It is one of the few constants you can depend on in life

    Sorry to hear about your B-day, that's a pisser =)

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    My club as a weird double standard- it is "OK" to show up on a TT bike if it is your other bike, you actually compete in TTs, you are a club member, (your "real bike" is in the shop), blah, blah blah.... but woe unto him who showeth up on a TRI bike- all the worse if he is not wearing socks, has a sleeveless jersey, or has shoes with only ONE STRAP... and if the wheels are 650s, expect that the end of days is upon us. However, no one ever complains before the ride... it usually starts during the ride and spills over to afterwards- and it is all backhand and passive aggressive (loudly complaining to other members in earshot of the rider- and it is usually the same group of guys doing the complaining).


    Funny thing about your story, last time I felt like "commenting" about a club rider's riding, I held my tongue. This guy had a brand new 5900 (not that there is anything wrong with that), and he had a little habit weaving wildly to avoid such hazards as manhole covers- I mean, he was all over the place, but he was one of those fairly strong, low cadence riders. I'd never seen him before, but later found out he was a club member who had to drive about 2 hours into the city for our ride. Anyway, I was struggling with my comfort in riding around him, and I refused to follow directly behind him. I was riding number four as we came down a hill with a waifish friend taking the lead. Suddenly, the squirrely guy's bike looked like it had been turned into rubber or jello as he went down after touching wheels with the lead guy. A friend of mine was behind him and was tangled up in the wreck- I had inches to thread the needle as he and his bike began to separate as they slid across the pavement, but I managed to slip by unscathed, as did those behind me. The two who went down were a bloody mess, but there were no serious injuries. On one hand, it was good that I trusted my gut and stayed away from this guy, but after the wreck, I felt like I should have said something earlier... as we compared notes afterwards, we all were feeling the same discomfort, but thought we could just drop him... but of course, he ended up "dropping" one of us.

    In hindsight, it might be best to discuss concern with another club member, then address the issue more as a group so it doesn't appear to be personal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by filtersweep
    My club as a weird double standard... it usually starts during the ride and spills over to afterwards- and it is all backhand and passive aggressive (loudly complaining to other members in earshot of the rider- and it is usually the same group of guys doing the complaining)...Anyway, I was struggling with my comfort in riding around him, and I refused to follow directly behind him. I was riding number four as we came down a hill with a waifish friend taking the lead... I felt like I should have said something earlier... as we compared notes afterwards, we all were feeling the same discomfort...In hindsight, it might be best to discuss concern with another club member, then address the issue more as a group so it doesn't appear to be personal.
    There are a few juniors on our group rides, but mostly I ride with grown-ups. We are all thinking about our health, or families, our bills we have to pay, our jobs, our nation, our world, our own mortality. All of a sudden, you don't have any time to think about gossip, or a breath to waste talking about some bike riders habits.

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