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    Your next bike will be from Cambodia or Vietnam

    Seems the tariffs were just the nail in the coffin. So much for all that marketing that today's bikes are so high tech. It's just about cheap labor

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1QF0G1

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    https://www.bicycleretailer.com/indu...n#.XHZw3aJKguV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trek_5200 View Post
    Seems the tariffs were just the nail in the coffin. So much for all that marketing that today's bikes are so high tech. It's just about cheap labor

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1QF0G1

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    https://www.bicycleretailer.com/indu...n#.XHZw3aJKguV
    I guess pretty much anyone can toss a couple of sheets of carbon fiber into a mold?

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    if you're Cambodian or Vietnamese, you've got to be loving the effect of the Trump tarriff tax.

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    It has always been a race to the bottom with regard to labor. Vietnam has made camera lenses for years, are you saying they can't do "high tech" manufacturing?

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    Why don't they make bikes in Mexico, Central or South America? Keep jobs in our hemisphere and might help with illegal immigration. Cambodia? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveG View Post
    I guess pretty much anyone can toss a couple of sheets of carbon fiber into a mold?
    Yes, pretty much anyone can. It's like putting together a 3D jigsaw puzzle. It's a labor intensive process, so it's done where the labor is cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanE View Post
    . . . so it's done where the labor is cheap.
    And quality control sucks. That's why I buy/ride Time frames. . . handmade in France, lifetime guarantee and impeccable quality control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
    if you're Cambodian or Vietnamese, you've got to be loving the effect of the Trump tarriff tax.
    Probably yes. As China gets more prosperous, you can expect the price of labor to increase there. Companies look for other sources of cheap labor, although China does have the advantage of a totalitarian government so striking won't work out well for their workers. I guess I will keep riding steel until they sort it all out

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    So say goodbye to Chinarello and hello to Camnago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trek_5200 View Post
    Seems the tariffs were just the nail in the coffin. So much for all that marketing that today's bikes are so high tech. It's just about cheap labor

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1QF0G1

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    https://www.bicycleretailer.com/indu...n#.XHZw3aJKguV
    Sorry to disappoint you but but my next frame is coming from France or Italy or maybe USA and yes, they are made in USA, France and Italy.
    2 things:
    1. I don't ride what everybody else rides and 2. I don't buy bikes. I buy frames and build them up.

    It might be a more expensive way to go but I don't have some fricken bean counter deciding what parts to hang on a frame because they fit some price point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveG View Post
    I guess pretty much anyone can toss a couple of sheets of carbon fiber into a mold?
    True, and pretty much anyone can weld steel and aluminum.

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    doesn't matter to me where it's built, I just want the best bike for a good price. If I were to get political about bike buying I would refuse to buy one from the US because of the Fd up politics it's government has unfairly inflicted on my country. But instead I have 2 frames made in the USA, 1 from italy, 2 made in Canada a bunch from Taiwan and none from China.

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    My next bike is actually originally from Italy. I have an ‘83 Bianchi Specialissima on the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exracer View Post
    Sorry to disappoint you but but my next frame is coming from France or Italy or maybe USA and yes, they are made in USA, France and Italy.
    2 things:
    1. I don't ride what everybody else rides and 2. I don't buy bikes. I buy frames and build them up.

    It might be a more expensive way to go but I don't have some fricken bean counter deciding what parts to hang on a frame because they fit some price point.
    Good point! 105 costs massive watts compared to Di2. And the frame! The frame!!! When brown people make it they lose me dozens of watts, easily! When white people make it I gain valuable performance advantages. I would never trust a person of color to make my frame, I’d never be able to reach my full potential. White people frames are better than dope. They last forever and give me a hundred watts!
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    I don't buy 'off the rack'...so, not an issue for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBL450 View Post
    Good point! 105 costs massive watts compared to Di2. And the frame! The frame!!! When brown people make it they lose me dozens of watts, easily! When white people make it I gain valuable performance advantages. I would never trust a person of color to make my frame, I’d never be able to reach my full potential. White people frames are better than dope. They last forever and give me a hundred watts!
    Too funny!
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    Your next bike will be from Cambodia or Vietnam.
    doubt it. my last bike came from japan. the two before that came from the u.s. and england. the two before that both came from france. if i look at the six or so before that, they're all either u.s. or japan.

    good thing i'm into vintage.
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    Marin bikes are assembled in Cambodia. They do a great job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfrancois View Post
    doubt it. my last bike came from japan. the two before that came from the u.s. and england. the two before that both came from france. if i look at the six or so before that, they're all either u.s. or japan.

    good thing i'm into vintage.
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    Unless you are riding k-mart bikes, your bike frame was likely made in Taiwan. I point this out because I'm uncertain that the proposed tariffs would extend to Taiwan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trek_5200 View Post
    Seems the tariffs were just the nail in the coffin. So much for all that marketing that today's bikes are so high tech. It's just about cheap labor
    It's always been about the consumers perception of value. Businesses that survive focus on producing the highest quality products in the shortest period of time at the lowest cost (they employ people on the same basis). The consumer decides where that product is made and by whom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PBL450 View Post
    Good point! 105 costs massive watts compared to Di2. And the frame! The frame!!! When brown people make it they lose me dozens of watts, easily! When white people make it I gain valuable performance advantages. I would never trust a person of color to make my frame, I’d never be able to reach my full potential. White people frames are better than dope. They last forever and give me a hundred watts!
    I don't understand this tirade. S\he wants an Italian bike, possibly one made in the USA, why turn it into a racial issue without those facts. Italian bikes have had a following, almost cult like, for years, and the there are custom builders in the USA that are highly enough regarded that there are lines of cyclists waiting for them to be built.

    It's probably more of a Ford\Chevy\Mopar thing than a racial thing, but I'm probably guilty of speculation here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBL450 View Post
    Good point! 105 costs massive watts compared to Di2. And the frame! The frame!!! When brown people make it they lose me dozens of watts, easily! When white people make it I gain valuable performance advantages. I would never trust a person of color to make my frame, I’d never be able to reach my full potential. White people frames are better than dope. They last forever and give me a hundred watts!
    Are you trying to be funny or are you just some racist puke hypocrite (pick one)? This has nothing to about race and all about what I want and I really don't give a f*ck about where it is made. If you can't figure that out, piss off

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    Quote Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    I don't understand this tirade. S\he wants an Italian bike, possibly one made in the USA, why turn it into a racial issue without those facts. Italian bikes have had a following, almost cult like, for years, and the there are custom builders in the USA that are highly enough regarded that there are lines of cyclists waiting for them to be built.

    It's probably more of a Ford\Chevy\Mopar thing than a racial thing, but I'm probably guilty of speculation here.
    Neither do I but this is what ideologues/cowards do. They attack they people don't know without any facts to back up what they are saying. Frankly they don't want to know because that would make them look (at best) stupid and can't have that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exracer View Post
    Neither do I but this is what ideologues/cowards do. They attack they people don't know without any facts to back up what they are saying. Frankly they don't want to know because that would make them look (at best) stupid and can't have that.
    I didn't see PBL450's post to come across as racist.. at all. I mean, he did open his comedy up with "105 vs Di2" to let the audience know that what he's about to say could be satire comedic, and I saw that coming. Not a racial post the way I see it

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