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    Bellatisport - anybody use them

    I am looking at framesets online, and have seen the one I want listed at Bellatisport, a Swiss company, for $1,000 less than anywhere I can find it in the US. Has anybody in the US bought anything from Bellatisport, and if so, what did you buy and how did the transaction go.

    Thanks in advance for your help.

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    Read one person's experience here.
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=69499

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    Avoid it. Some people in the forum did not have good luck with them.

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    Thanks guys, but I haven't really seen much on the net that is negative about Bellatisport. I read the thread posted by [email protected] before I even started this thread, and the OP never states that it was Bellatisport. However, he does mention it in another thread, but there he seems to like Bellatisport and he doesn't even mention the issue with the $400 at that point. Here is the quote from the other thread:

    "I found the Mortirolo I wanted at www.bellatisport.com, I purchased it and it's said to be shipped next week. Hope everything goes well.

    I paid far less then the suppliers in the US, they were trying to mark the price up astronomical, it's was ridiculous, as if I wasnt going to research and see what I could get it for elsewhere.

    They really piss me off, Wilier USA sucks as far as I'm concerned, full of lies about what the main factory has in stock, to get you to buy something else thats already here, bunch of crap they fed me

    We'll see if the Euro company comes through, at least they seemed pretty honest and wanting to help me find what I wanted unlike Wilier USA."

    [email protected], my next choice would be either your company (i.e., Wrench Science) or Competitive Cyclist. Problem with Wrench Science is that it has the size all jacked up on the sloping frame (i.e., they do not match the sizes given on Colnago's website and frame geometry spreadsheet) so I have no actual idea what to order. Oh yeah, and it is almost $900 more than Bellatisport on the Dream HP and $1,200 more on the C50.

    With the prices they have, I find it hard to believe that nobody on here has actually tried them, other than HBPUNK. I think I read something on here about another guy that bought something from them, and he didn't have anything bad to say about the experience. Nothing phenomanally good either though.
    Last edited by fabsroman; 08-10-2006 at 06:19 PM.

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    If you aren't interested in advice then don't ask for it.... I have read a RBR members troubles with a purchase and it doesn't sound like something I want to go through.
    Tyler, you are by far the most interesting single-serving friend I have ever met.

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    Handsomerob,

    My previous post on here wasn't here for very long and you had your response in. Why not bite my head off next time, and thanks for your advice. Rock solid and very helpful. LOL

    Before I even started this post, I did a search on this board for all posts about Bellatisport, and I read all of them. Just didn't make the connection in two different threads that HBPUNK was praising Bellatisport one minute and then damning them the next.

    As far as advice is concerned, I'll take all I can get, but I still haven't heard from anybody that has had a direct experience with Bellatisport. I'm an attorney by profession, and skeptical about things. That is why I would like to hear from people that have actual experience with Bellatisport, or that know people that have had experience with Bellatisport, and I would like to know what the issues were. If it wasn't anything serious (e.g., frame took a while to be delivered, customer service took over a day to e-mail back), I think I'll save my money and order from them, and put the saved money toward a time trial bike. If the negative responses are for serious stuff, then I'll pay the extra money and order from WS or Competitive, or maybe even by LBS who hasn't gotten back to me with a price yet.

    Just like Mr. Herald in the Litespeed forum has a vested interest in Litespeed (i.e., he is the director of marketing I believe), so does [email protected] because he works at Wrench Science which is one of the premier online sellers of frames. I commend both of them for putting their affiliation right up front, because some people wouldn't. If I decide to go with WS, you can bet I will be asking [email protected] some more questions.

    What is really sad is that I spent less time looking online for my dream truck and even less time negotiating the price at the dealer than I have spent on this frame purchase. What is even sadder is that I have probably lost enough billable hours to have paid for the frame already. Once I figure this thing out with Bellatisport, I'll be done with the quest (e.g., which frame Bianchi, Orbea, Colnago, DeRosa, Pinarello and which vendor WS, Bellatisport, the one million English vendors, Competitive Cyclist, the Old Bike Shop, etc.).

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    Okay, here is the e-mail I sent them around 8:30 pm:

    "I am interested in a couple of your Colnago frames (e.g., C50 and Dream HP), and was wondering about the procedure for buying one from you. I live in the US and you are a Swiss company. Do you ship to the US? How long would it be before I received my frame? Do you charge my credit card before you ship the frame?

    Thanks for your time with this.

    Sincerely,

    Fabrizio Roman"

    and here is their reply at 1:30 a.m., which is 5 hours after I sent my e-mail:

    "Good morning Mr. Roman,

    Thank you very much for your interest in Colnago frames.

    The delivery time for a Colnago frame is about 4-6 week after the order, but now you must consider that the Colnago Factory is close for holiday and will open only end of August.
    The frame will be ship to US with Swiss Post International (TNT), the box is insured and with priority post you will receive the frame in about 4-9 days.

    You can choose and order the frame that you wish and pay with one of the most important credit card.
    Your credit card will billed only when we are ready to send you the frame and not before.

    Your sincerely.

    Andrea Bellati

    Andrea Bellati Sport
    Via G. Lanz 1
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    +41-91-646 11 83
    +41-91-646 45 84 fax"

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    Like HSR said, if you come asking for advice.... that's probably what you will get here That said, a couple of guys have bought Colnagos and most of them recommend Mike Perry at Maestro (UK outfit) and another one that escapes my mind (another UK outfit). There is also GVHbikes in the US. If I ever buy a new 'nag, that's probably where they will coming from one of those 3.

    How about sending a PM to the guys that ordered from there?

    Good luck

    -CR

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    Yep, sent two PM's to people that bought from them.

    I'm not as dumb as you guys think I thinks I am. LOL

    Based upon the posts I read, I sent PM's yesterday to the two guys that I think bought stuff from Bellatisport. I received a reply from one of them so far, and it follows:

    "Hey Fabrizio

    Yes, prices at Bellatisport are pretty awesome and you are right to be cautious. I waited for a friend to get his Ksyrium ES's from the store before I ordered my Ksyrium SL3's. Both came promptly about a week and a bit after ordering.

    I'd have no hesitation buying from them. I had an email query and they also answered back really quick.

    Just remember to sign up for their free membership to get the best prices!

    Good luck!
    PedalSpinner"

    I think I am going to order the Colnago Dream HP and some Campy Euros wheels from them. However, I will check out those other sites you mentioned. Already checked out Maestro and their prices are decent, but they do not offer the frame in the paint scheme I want.

    As far as advice is concerned, I wouldn't be wasting my time posting on here and reading replies if I didn't think the advice was any good. However, I do take almost everything with a grain of salt.

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    See PM

    I purchased a complete bike from them and had a excellent experience. Good communication. Fast shipping. Quick resolution to one minor glitch. Total saved: $700 off best US price.

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    I ordered from bellatiasport as well. Just a saddle, but everything went fine for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fabsroman

    [email protected], my next choice would be either your company (i.e., Wrench Science) or Competitive Cyclist. Problem with Wrench Science is that it has the size all jacked up on the sloping frame (i.e., they do not match the sizes given on Colnago's website and frame geometry spreadsheet) so I have no actual idea what to order. Oh yeah, and it is almost $900 more than Bellatisport on the Dream HP and $1,200 more on the C50.
    We've found that using virtual sizes cuts down on confusion with the sloping frames. In other works if a sloping frame says "56cm" that means it's going to fit like a 56cm. You can click "more info" and then "frame geometry"... You'll see that the Ps (actual) size is 52cm and the P (virtual) is 56cm... confusing, ain't it?

    You could always just call toll free with any questions.

    As far as the lower European prices.... they don't have to pay import duties on the frames (only part of it.) I can't speak for what makes up the rest of the difference. It certainly is not the profit margin being made at the bike shops or the distributor.

    Folks who buy bikes from us are more concerned with great service and superbe bike builds than the lowest price.

    BTW... the OP of the thread that I linked to did mention Bellatisport. He must've edited it out. I have not heard much more than a couple of complaints. I don't know anything about them. You originally asked about them, so i posted the link. I find myself here (on the forums) when I'm not busy so i wind up posting on whatever seems interesting... even if it has nothing to do with the competition.
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    [email protected],

    I hear ya. I alternate between this site and a hunting/shooting chat board for breaks from work. I'm actually a mod on the hunting chat board and have met several guys from the board. Just started coming to this board as I started looking for reviews on bikes before buying one. Kind of tough after I have been out of the market for close to 20 years.

    I appreciate all the help you have provided, and I too have no idea why there is such a difference in cost between the Colnago frames in Europe and here. Even Maestro carries the frames for a decent amount less than places here. All I can think of is that more middle men are involved in getting the frames to the US. I think Trialtir is the exclusive supplier in the US, so that might have something to do with it.

    As far as a quality bike build is concerned, I am going to build it myself, with the exception of installing the headset and the bottom bracket. For two summers, I worked at the bike shop that sponsored my USCF team so that I could buy wheels and bike parts and have done all the repairs on my own bike, so I feel pretty comfortable about building my own bike. Plus, it is part of the hobby of bike riding for me, and I love to tinker with things.

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    Just recieved a new Campagnolo Scirocco wheelset from Bellatisport. The transaction went very smoothly. Andrea posted them on a friday nite and by monday morning they were at Canada customs. He did not bill my credit card until after they were sent, he did not have any of the shimano compatable wheels in stock but it only took 2 days for him to get some and the price was half (in canadian funds) of what they cost in Canada.Also all of my emails were answered within 24 hours. All in all I would not hesitate to do business with him again.

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    Okay, I ordered my Colnago Cristallo around August 15, was told that Colnago was closed for August and would not open until September 1. Mr. Bellati put my order in with Colnago on September 4th and told me it would be about 6 weeks before my farme arrives. I ended up getting my frame last weekend on Saturday, October 21. It arrived without any problems and the communication from Mr. Bellati was awesome. I ended up saving $1,000 over the lowest price in the US, and that takes into account the shipping cost from Bellatisport and leaves out the shipping cost from the US retailers. Now, Maestro was a lot closer in price, but still a hundred or more dollars higher and I think the shipping was also higher.

    If I buy another frame, you can bet it will be from Bellatisport. I just wish he carried Reynolds wheelsets, because even though I love Campy and Fulcrum, the KOM's are a heck of a lot lighter than the lightest offering by Campy or Fulcrum.

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    I'd like to buy a 2007 B-Stay from these guys... $1300! BAM!

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    I didn't know that there were any frames in the 2007 lineup with B-Stays on them. For $1,300 are you talking about the Dream HX with the Cristallo like stays or are you talking about an older 2006 Dream HP with the B-stay and HP chainstays?

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    Sorry, I forgot about the steel frames. I looked at them rather quickly and they didn't appeal to me, so I guess I just purged that image from my memory. Bad thing to do because it makes me look like an idiot when I post.

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    Belatisport Good!!!!

    I bought this Colnago Tecnos frame from Belatisport about a year or so back. I found them honest and their service was good, a few communication issues you to time difference and language, but nothing that ever caused a problem.

    I saved a bomb on what was a rare item, albeit with limited appeal, but far cheaper than other Tecnos' and Master X Lite's I found. They flicked in a fork upgrade and sold me the Record headset and Chorus post very cheaply too.

    Goods arrived in NZ in great shape. I would use them again.

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    I have had an excellent experience wth Bellatisport.
    I live in San Diego, California.
    On November 28th 2006 I asked if the Mavic Crossmax SLR disk wheelset with centerlock hubs was in stock.
    On the same day, as soon as they opened, I received an email saying yes.
    I placed the order on the 29th. Visa gave me the run around, convinced that this was fraudulent activity. (new Visa account) While this was being sorted out I was in touch with Andrea Bellati via email several times in the course of an hour. I sent payment with Amex very easily in the end and throughout the process I felt confident that he understood my intentions and I wasn't buying another wheelset everytime I clicked checkout for my "Cart".
    Wheels shipped on the 30th, confirmed by their email.
    Wheels delivered by USPS December 4th.
    Insured express shipping was about $75
    Perfect condition with bags, skewers, UST valves and magnet.
    These wheels are not available for purchase here yet. I was told about a month from now. Bellatisport price was $270 less than US retailers are required to advertise and about $110 less than the estimated discount street price when they become available.
    Shop with confidence.
    Cogito ergo veho

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyBoy
    I bought this Colnago Tecnos frame from Belatisport about a year or so back. I found them honest and their service was good, a few communication issues you to time difference and language, but nothing that ever caused a problem.

    I saved a bomb on what was a rare item, albeit with limited appeal, but far cheaper than other Tecnos' and Master X Lite's I found. They flicked in a fork upgrade and sold me the Record headset and Chorus post very cheaply too.

    Goods arrived in NZ in great shape. I would use them again.

    DannyBoy.
    That bike's pretty. I want to build something similar.

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    Smile Bellati Sports is Excellent



    I experienced an absolutely seamless transaction with Bellati Sports. Bellati Sports is an outstanding, legitimate business. All of my questions were answered promptly, and delivery was rapid and without problems.

    Very pleased with Bellati Sports!


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    something fishy about this thumbs up.

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    I know, it does kind of look like the thumbs up is saying "up yours" doesn't it.

    Ah well, nothing like a little emoticon 'tude to make one's Christmas brighter.

    As far as Bellati Sports goes:

    - Easy ordering.
    - Great inventory.
    - Easy and safe payment.
    - Good and prompt communication.
    - Reliable and prompt shipping.

    It was the most expensive purchase I have ever made online and it was international too. I agonized and was worried, but everything worked out perfectly, and now I have a hot new bike. Thank you, Santa!

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