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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemShock View Post
    Wow... looks like Ford is all but throwing in the towel on the car market.

    They're decided to be pretty much an 'all trucks and SUVs' maker, by choice.
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    The news here is ditching the Fusion, surprising...The Taurus and Fiesta were announced as "gone" a long time ago. As best I recall, there is still a need for car companies to meet an overall CAFE number (corporate average fuel economy).

    It was my feeling that Ford was pushing the Fiesta and Fusion (great mileage) to help balance the poor average fuel economy of their high volume best selling F-150 trucks. So without these models, what's the plan now? Bet on a continued relaxing of required CAFE numbers? (which has already been tinkered with this year by you know who...)

    Also, what happens if gas goes to $4.50 / gallon and everyone abandons trucks / SUVs (again)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemShock View Post
    Though I hear the Fusion was pretty decent.
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    In late 2016 I bought a 17 Fusion Sport. They've done the Sport badge before, but this is the only model that comes with the 2.7L Ecoboost engine, 325hp, 380 lb-ft torque and AWD. All for under $35k. The car isn't the most refined, but it's a lot of grins for the money. Quite a sleeper car, very few people are aware of its capabilities. For some reason I don't get very good gas mileage Makes the V6 Accord that it replaced feel like a grandma's car. Ford announced a few months ago that there wouldn't be a 2019 Sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ogre View Post
    All for under $35k.
    I think that's the point, Ford wants to base the entire company on making highly profitable vehicles that all sell for OVER $35K in the future. I guess they have conceded the cars to Toyota/Honda etc. which are also made in the USA.

    I think they know - they have the truck market locked in, for the same reason Harley Davidson has the bulk of the heavy bike iron market.

    The working truck buyers are fiercely loyal to US brands, so the foreign makers will have an uphill battle trying to take this fiercely defended space from Ford, GM, Chrysler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z'mer View Post
    It was my feeling that Ford was pushing the Fiesta and Fusion (great mileage) to help balance the poor average fuel economy of their high volume best selling F-150 trucks.

    So without these [car] models, what's the plan now? Bet on a continued relaxing of required CAFE numbers? (which has already been tinkered with this year by you know who...)

    Also, what happens if gas goes to $4.50 / gallon and everyone abandons trucks / SUVs (again)?
    Great questions, considering that fuel prices are indeed on the rise – USA average right now is $2.81/gallon, up from $2.38 at the same time last year – and also that, once Trump is gone, there's a good chance that CAFE mileage standards will go back up.

    Ford's 'no cars' strategy is great for right now, but could easily wrong-foot the company going forward. Maybe as early as next year, if oil (and thus, gasoline) prices continue on their current upward trajectory.

    Finally, if/when any of this comes to pass (very high gasoline prices, strong CAFE mileage standards), and cars come back into fashion, and Ford decides to jump back into that market... WHY would anyone buy a Ford car, knowing that the company hasn't been investing in cars (and thus their offerings are likely to be behind the curve, technologically), and that they don't really believe in them?

    Honestly, cars aren't really the problem, at least not primarily. It's been Ford's inability to offer compelling cars – outside of the new Mustang, and arguably the Fusion – that's the real issue.

    Ford's last big hit car was the Taurus, back in the '80s and '90s. Between now and then... pffft.

    They even named a car model the Probe, of all things. Guess that proctologist market was considered hawt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemShock View Post
    Great questions, considering that fuel prices are indeed on the rise – USA average right now is $2.81/gallon, up from $2.38 at the same time last year
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    This surprised me yesterday--I'm barely driving my truck these days, and I had to fill up for the first time since I can't remember $2.73/gal at a "cheap" station in NJ--What?

    The 500 was a minor success, and sold decently despite being launched as the recession hit...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z'mer View Post
    Bet on a continued relaxing of required CAFE numbers? (which has already been tinkered with this year by you know who...)
    So trying to force everyone into small expensive cars with a 54.5MPG was a good idea back in 2009?

    Logically how does that make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRM4865 View Post

    Logically how does that make sense?
    Good question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WRM4865 View Post
    So trying to force everyone into small expensive cars with a 54.5MPG was a good idea back in 2009?

    Logically how does that make sense?
    CAFE fuel economy is measured differently from the window sticker, so they weren't really mandating 54.5MPG. Also, CAFE doesn't require small cars. It has different standards for "light trucks", which is what most people a driving these days (i.e. even crossover SUVs). You may recall that the Chrysler PT Cruiser was classified as a "light truck" for CAFE purposes when it was in reality a small hatchback.

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    So 2019 models are out, did you choose something?





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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwisimon View Post
    So 2019 models are out, did you choose something

    #threaddredgefriday
    Some other stuff has come up, so I’m delaying buying ‘til later this year. Might even go for a ‘last week of December’ strategy, which helped me net a great deal on my current ride.

    Just hope there aren’t big tariffs on whatever car I choose by then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    . . and it has AWD so you don't have to keep.
    not really. It’s fake AWD. It’s pure FWD till lots of slip. Even then it can’t do over 50% torque to the rear end. The Audi TT/TTS/TTRS can do 60/40 in dynamic mode and up tp 100 if needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notvintage View Post
    not really. It’s fake AWD. It’s pure FWD till lots of slip. Even then it can’t do over 50% torque to the rear end. The Audi TT/TTS/TTRS can do 60/40 in dynamic mode and up tp 100 if needed.
    The 2018 TTRS under regular driving conditions puts 80% of the power to the front wheels. The newer brains and electronics in their AWD system is much better than previous models. I would not call it fake AWD, it is just the evolution of the system. Many AWD implementations are going this route, with eletronic differentials and significant front wheel bias to meet comfort and economy standards when just puttering around town... but floor it.. and the fun begins..

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    Ride on. See you next Model Year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ljvb View Post
    The 2018 TTRS under regular driving conditions puts 80% of the power to the front wheels. The newer brains and electronics in their AWD system is much better than previous models. I would not call it fake AWD, it is just the evolution of the system. Many AWD implementations are going this route, with eletronic differentials and significant front wheel bias to meet comfort and economy standards when just puttering around town... but floor it.. and the fun begins..
    If I go the TT RS route, I'm going to look into one of the Haldex controllers, in hopes of dialing in a little more persistent rear bias.

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    Back on tropics.
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    Op, what car did you end up getting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keoki View Post
    Op, what car did you end up getting?
    Nothing so far. Other things have come up (including a significant medical issue) that have put this way down my priority/time list.

    Also, the Porsche Taycan EV/Tesla-fighter is coming out in a few months, and I think I wanna check it out/add it to the list. It could be amazing.

    https://www.motor1.com/news/272366/p...v-price-rumor/





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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemShock View Post
    Nothing so far. Other things have come up (including a significant medical issue) that have put this way down my priority/time list.

    Also, the Porsche Taycan EV/Tesla-fighter is coming out in a few months, and I think I wanna check it out/add it to the list. It could be amazing.

    https://www.motor1.com/news/272366/p...v-price-rumor/






    Thats a lot of money for something competing in a segment against Tesla. Keep in mind that your avg Tesla driver (or any EV buyer for that matter), is generally not in the same market as a Porsche. Also, the numbers.. Only slightly better than the Tesla, except the range, it is quite a bit more than the Tesla.

    That said, if you drive a porsche like it is supposed to be driven.. I'm guessing that range goes down to sub 100 miles... Same with the Tesla, drive it hard, and you lose range, a lot of it. And that is assuming they get the stated 300+ mile range, which I'll wait to see real world numbers.

    As far as looks.. damn it looks good.. Also. noise.. Porsches sound awesome.. if they pump out some electronic generated noise.. I will be annoyed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljvb View Post
    Thats a lot of money for something competing in a segment against Tesla. Keep in mind that your avg Tesla driver (or any EV buyer for that matter), is generally not in the same market as a Porsche. Also, the numbers.. Only slightly better than the Tesla, except the range, it is quite a bit more than the Tesla.

    That said, if you drive a porsche like it is supposed to be driven.. I'm guessing that range goes down to sub 100 miles... Same with the Tesla, drive it hard, and you lose range, a lot of it. And that is assuming they get the stated 300+ mile range, which I'll wait to see real world numbers.

    As far as looks.. damn it looks good.. Also. noise.. Porsches sound awesome.. if they pump out some electronic generated noise.. I will be annoyed...
    Thanks, ljvb, I definitely agree that the Taycan is gorgeous.

    And just FYI, gas mileage (and thus 'range') plummets on a gasoline-powered car driven hard and fast too.

    My real worries with the car are

    1) As a new model *and* entirely new 'thing' for Porsche (i.e. electrics), will the reliability be up to snuff?

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    2) As a very-long-range EV (aka has lots of batteries stuffed into it), will it be too heavy to have true Porsche-level handling?

    Guess we'll see...
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    Sidenote: Has anyone else noticed how Ford stock has been getting absolutely DESTROYED over the past few months?

    Ford stock is now so beaten-down that it's an 'accidental super-high-yielder', i.e. the dividend is now over 7%.

    Usually, you have to buy a telecom stock or a REIT to get that, and it's not a good thing from where Ford sits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemShock View Post
    Sidenote: Has anyone else noticed how Ford stock has been getting absolutely DESTROYED over the past few months?

    Ford stock is now so beaten-down that it's an 'accidental super-high-yielder', i.e. the dividend is now over 7%.

    Usually, you have to buy a telecom stock or a REIT to get that, and it's not a good thing from where Ford sits.
    Yep. I bought 3 shares at $9 a few weeks ago, thinking that it was close to the bottom, and it's just kept falling. Realistically, I'm only out a few bucks, but it's the principle of the thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old_fuji View Post
    Yep. I bought 3 shares at $9 a few weeks ago, thinking that it was close to the bottom, and it's just kept falling. Realistically, I'm only out a few bucks, but it's the principle of the thing.
    Well, at least you have the option of not giving up on it.

    Even at $9, you're getting like a 6.7% dividend, i.e. better than bonds. So, you can kick back and 'get paid to wait' for it to come back, as it were.

    Of course, it could have further to fall in the short-term, which is always super-fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemShock View Post
    Well, at least you have the option of not giving up on it.

    Even at $9, you're getting like a 6.7% dividend, i.e. better than bonds. So, you can kick back and 'get paid to wait' for it to come back, as it were.

    Of course, it could have further to fall in the short-term, which is always super-fun.
    On the bright side, I was able to make better than a 50% return on some other stocks! That's right, I paid 19 cents for 2 shares of Comstock Minerals, and sold them for 30 cents! #ballin
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    Turtle Beach Corp, and I love Ford.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eretz View Post
    Turtle Beach Corp, and I love Ford.
    Still kicking myself for selling Turtle Beach @ $5.40, just before the May earnings report. Been "trading" it past few weeks though, and hoping for uptrend continuation into this earnings.

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