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    I simply disagree, to suggest that a bunch of 20 somethings that have no long term commitment to being a server or a single mom with a second job is somehow morph into the next Norma Rae is just not reality.
    Iím sure a lot of people thought likewise before Norma Rae...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Opus51569 View Post
    Iím sure a lot of people thought likewise before Norma Rae...


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    Only if you disregard the socio economic differences, the political changes that have happened, the right to work laws, the pervasive anti-union sentiment in today's culture oh and you have to pretend that 21 year old Sally who works three nights a week during the semester and full time over the summer is going to push for some kind of change when she is making enough for beer money.
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    How much do you tip?

    Depends.

    If I am in the United States, where working an honorable job can often be for less then a living wage, or in Europe where such gratuities are paid by employers as part of the human decency perspective.
    I am 100% convinced the internet and social media are not the salvation to human civility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatsmybush View Post
    Only if you disregard the socio economic differences, the political changes that have happened, the right to work laws, the pervasive anti-union sentiment in today's culture oh and you have to pretend that 21 year old Sally who works three nights a week during the semester and full time over the summer is going to push for some kind of change when she is making enough for beer money.
    If Sally doesnít want change, thatís her choice. But to make the excuse that itís somehow impossible in todayís climate is simply incorrect.

    Do a Google search for service industry workers on strike. The push for a living minimum wage hasnít gone away.

    Hereís an example... from yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opus51569 View Post
    If Sally doesnít want change, thatís her choice. But to make the excuse that itís somehow impossible in todayís climate is simply incorrect.

    Do a Google search for service industry workers on strike. The push for a living minimum wage hasnít gone away.

    Hereís an example... from yesterday.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ual-harassment

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    McDonald's is not what I am talking about they are not tipped employees--so what you have posted is a red herring.



    We will have to agree to disagree on this I guess. I am not happy with the current economic structures of tipping and auto grats, I recognize and appreciate my place in it and don't blame groups largely comprised of college kids, high school graduates, those needing a second job and single mothers for not being at the forefront of change. In short I will continue to tip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thatsmybush View Post
    McDonald's is not what I am talking about they are not tipped employees--so what you have posted is a red herring.



    We will have to agree to disagree on this I guess. I am not happy with the current economic structures of tipping and auto grats, I recognize and appreciate my place in it and don't blame groups largely comprised of college kids, high school graduates, those needing a second job and single mothers for not being at the forefront of change. In short I will continue to tip.
    It is absolutely not a red herring. Your previous posts about the lack of union support, Norma Rae, and some inability for workers to strike was the only red herring I saw. I used McDonalds to refute your argument that the current climate isnít conducive to minimum wage workers banding together for better pay and treatment. It is happening even as we speak. If they can do it, so can any service industry group, whether they traditionally receive tips or not.

    But you are correct that we can agree to disagree.

    hereís a little something for the effort, though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Opus51569 View Post
    It is absolutely not a red herring. Your previous posts about the lack of union support, Norma Rae, and some inability for workers to strike was the only red herring I saw. I used McDonalds to refute your argument that the current climate isnít conducive to minimum wage workers banding together for better pay and treatment. It is happening even as we speak. If they can do it, so can any service industry group, whether they traditionally receive tips or not.

    But you are correct that we can agree to disagree.

    hereís a little something for the effort, though.


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    You take it, it was much more difficult for you to move the goalposts than for me to point out that a McDonald's employee seeking a living wage is different than some getting a living wage through tips, but wants those tips to stop and have the employer pay them instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Opus51569 View Post
    It is absolutely not a red herring. Your previous posts about the lack of union support, Norma Rae, and some inability for workers to strike was the only red herring I saw. I used McDonalds to refute your argument that the current climate isnít conducive to minimum wage workers banding together for better pay and treatment. It is happening even as we speak. If they can do it, so can any service industry group, whether they traditionally receive tips or not.

    But you are correct that we can agree to disagree.

    hereís a little something for the effort, though.


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    All I know is that I can't really change the way things are, but I can help someone out with a tip. I'd bet the hotel maid was appreciative Sunday morning when she found the $20 bill I left on the bathroom counter. I'm sure she'd prefer a raise to an uncertain tip here and there, but I do what I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmf View Post
    All I know is that I can't really change the way things are, but I can help someone out with a tip. I'd bet the hotel maid was appreciative Sunday morning when she found the $20 bill I left on the bathroom counter. I'm sure she'd prefer a raise to an uncertain tip here and there, but I do what I can.
    I appreciate your magnanimity and I'm sure the maid did as well. But as long as this current outdated system continues to limp along enabled by those with the means and the generosity to perpetuate it... it will never change. Why would it?
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    Agree to disagree. What the eff does that even mean?

    Here's a tip: Just say disagree. Save time by omitting useless words that add nothing.

    Agree? Disagree? Pick one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPlKE View Post
    Agree to disagree. What the eff does that even mean?

    Here's a tip: Just say disagree. Save time by omitting useless words that add nothing.

    Agree? Disagree? Pick one.
    That was a lot of redundancy for someone concerned about excess verbiage.

    I canít speak for tmb, but for me Ďagree to disagreeí means we disagree but part on polite terms. I respect his position and his ability to argue it even if I donít agree with it. Itís the lownje, after all, not P.O.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opus51569 View Post
    That was a lot of redundancy for someone concerned about excess verbiage.

    I canít speak for tmb, but for me Ďagree to disagreeí means we disagree but part on polite terms. I respect his position and his ability to argue it even if I donít agree with it. Itís the lownje, after all, not P.O.
    I disagree.

    Or should I say ...it's not unlike I don't disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPlKE View Post
    I disagree.

    Or should I say ...it's not unlike I don't disagree.
    See? Now youíre getting it!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Opus51569 View Post
    See? Now youíre getting it!



    Let's just agree to agree or disagree to disagree, whichever you prefer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPlKE View Post
    Agree to disagree. What the eff does that even mean?

    Here's a tip: Just say disagree. Save time by omitting useless words that add nothing.

    Agree? Disagree? Pick one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Opus51569 View Post
    That was a lot of redundancy for someone concerned about excess verbiage.

    I canít speak for tmb, but for me Ďagree to disagreeí means we disagree but part on polite terms. I respect his position and his ability to argue it even if I donít agree with it. Itís the lownje, after all, not P.O.

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    Exactly this could have gone really sideways in PO!!! But hell there we are like always agreeing so this was more fun in a way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Opus51569 View Post
    I appreciate your magnanimity and I'm sure the maid did as well. But as long as this current outdated system continues to limp along enabled by those with the means and the generosity to perpetuate it... it will never change. Why would it?
    So I should quit tipping which would lead to a social revolution , topple over 'the man' and secure higher wages for all? Deep thoughts from Jack Handy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmf View Post
    So I should quit tipping which would lead to a social revolution , topple over 'the man' and secure higher wages for all? Deep thoughts from Jack Handy.
    Your choice, Jack.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pmf View Post
    So I should quit tipping which would lead to a social revolution , topple over 'the man' and secure higher wages for all? Deep thoughts from Jack Handy.
    Go ahead and start the revolution. Speaking of tips...

    Pro Tips:

    1. Don't call your revolution Helter Skelter. That name was already used.

    2. Don't go back to the same restaurant or bar after you've revolted there against The Man and His Tipping Economy.

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    Iím in Jersey, the Capital of tipping. We tip at the gas pump. I tip well. Most New Jersians tip well. When my daughter worked in a local ice cream shop she made well over $15.00 and hour with her tips and she wasnít even a server, it was a take out counter job. If someone in my party is ordering off menu or asking for extra whatever and the service is good the tip can easily be 25%.

    BTW, rear professional servers in real world class joints make great money. One of my best friends owns a high end place and starts servers at $75K. He stays away from having anything to do with their tips. Full benefits, free legal... They earn it Iíll say. He demands perfection. Every diner experience has to be a perfect memory. He uses a family farm for a lot of his produce and some poultry, etc, and they are brought in often for free tasters menus to see how the products are used to make that connection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBL450 View Post
    Iím in Jersey, the Capital of tipping. We tip at the gas pump. I tip well. Most New Jersians tip well. When my daughter worked in a local ice cream shop she made well over $15.00 and hour with her tips and she wasnít even a server, it was a take out counter job. If someone in my party is ordering off menu or asking for extra whatever and the service is good the tip can easily be 25%.

    BTW, rear professional servers in real world class joints make great money. One of my best friends owns a high end place and starts servers at $75K. He stays away from having anything to do with their tips. Full benefits, free legal... They earn it Iíll say. He demands perfection. Every diner experience has to be a perfect memory. He uses a family farm for a lot of his produce and some poultry, etc, and they are brought in often for free tasters menus to see how the products are used to make that connection.
    Same over here in the philly metro region. My high school son makes average $20 - $30 per hour in tips alone as a busboy at a local pub. He gets 10% of the servers, bartenders, busboys, and cooks total tips for each 5-hour shift he works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPlKE View Post
    Same over here in the philly metro region. My high school son makes average $20 - $30 per hour in tips alone as a busboy at a local pub. He gets 10% of the servers, bartenders, busboys, and cooks total tips for each 5-hour shift he works.
    Yep, my friends restaurant is in Berwin.
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