• 09-16-2009
    CyreneSong
    Mom and son defy no-bike policy at middle school
    http://www.saratogian.com/articles/2...7442523775.txt

    Upon arriving at school on Wednesday, Adam and Janette Kaddo Marino were met outside by school officials and a New York State Trooper, who were on hand for the first day of school. They were informed that they were “out of compliance,” and had a lengthy discussion over where Adam’s bike could be locked.
  • 09-16-2009
    asciibaron
    the comments are awesome. sometimes i get the feeling we are being fattened up for something's dinner. hey piggy, don't walk to school, drive the gas guzzling SUV 2 blocks.
  • 09-16-2009
    theBreeze
    Once again it's the comments that are the most, ahem, entertaining. It only took a half dozen before Naz Germany was brought up. Then there's the guy who seems to think that a written school board policy is the same thing as a democratically enacted law. Whatever happened to civics class???

    I think the point of the opposition is that if the route to the school is percieved as "unsafe" for cycling or even walking, then someting needs to be done to make it safe.
  • 09-16-2009
    asciibaron
    i know, let's build a school in the median of I-90 - the land is free. why would that be a bad idea?
  • 09-16-2009
    saf-t
    Yeah, there's been a whole big debate in my town about the merits vs hazards of kids riding to school- even when accompanied by parents. Administration seems to think it's too dangerous, even for a trial at selected schools, and despite no official policy, principals have been pretty united in banning bikes from school property. Just dumb.
  • 09-16-2009
    filtersweep
    SHTN sums it up quite nicely. As in, you've gotta be SHTN me.

    And as the Breeze points out--- they have no business establishing a newer school in such a DANGEROUS area.
  • 09-16-2009
    PDex
    Perhaps its the local nature of the story, but WHY can't the kid ride his bike? Policy. Policy based on WHAT? Rte 9?

    No wonder journalism is dying. (Sorry Cory)
  • 09-16-2009
    Pablo
    Status: fail in humanity . . . diminishing.
  • 09-16-2009
    Love Commander
    You don't want your fatties dying on the way to school. You want them dying in middle age of heart disease or the diabetes; after their most productive years of life but before they become a drain on the system. Big ups to the school for looking out for our (short) futures!
  • 09-16-2009
    Bocephus Jones II
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PDex
    Perhaps its the local nature of the story, but WHY can't the kid ride his bike? Policy. Policy based on WHAT? Rte 9?

    No wonder journalism is dying. (Sorry Cory)

    Shoddy journalism for sure, but the comments below seem to suggest the school considers Route 9 to be too dangerous to ride a bike on. Still...I don't get where the school has the authority to dictate how a parent chooses to get their kid to school. Here in Boulder kids get prizes for riding to school. My youngest rides nearly every day unless it's too rainy or snowy. They have this program to encourage alternate transportation:

    http://www.freiker.org/bp/Home
  • 09-16-2009
    Pablo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bocephus Jones II
    Here in Boulder kids get prizes for riding to school. My youngest rides nearly every day unless it's too rainy or snowy.

    They'll never win Flanders with that attitude.
  • 09-16-2009
    Bocephus Jones II
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Pablo
    They'll never win Flanders with that attitude.

    I rode once with him during a big snowstorm...we skidded all the way down the hill to his school. :D
  • 09-16-2009
    MB1
    Route 9 is designated by the New York State Department of Transportation as a bike route.

    Them that can-do. Them that can't become administrators.

    BTW I'm wondering how I can become a SHTN member!!!
  • 09-16-2009
    Touch0Gray
    apparently there are some that do know the value of civil disobedience

    edit: if I was there I would ride with them!
  • 09-16-2009
    Gripped
    Street view of the school entrance from Hwy 9.

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    Looks like it's got good bike lanes. What it's lacking is a crosswalk, blinking yellow caution lights overhead, rumble strips in the car lane, and adequate signage to allert drivers to get their heads out of their asses.
  • 09-16-2009
    PDex
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gripped
    Street view of the school entrance from Hwy 9.

    <iframe width="425" height="240" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" src="http://maps.google.com/maps/sv?cbp=12,205.02,,0,23.89&amp;cbll=43.109165,-73.771527&amp;panoid=&amp;v=1&amp;hl=en&amp;gl=us" ></iframe><br /><small><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=embed&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&a mp;q=515+Maple+Avenue+Saratoga+Springs,+NY&amp;sll =37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=63.897228,74.53125&amp;ie=UTF8& amp;ll=43.115082,-73.768129&amp;spn=0.001835,0.003296&amp;t=h&amp;z= 14&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=43.109165,-73.771527&amp;panoid=MAEDsb-UFhPeXua2HMXuzw&amp;cbp=12,205.02,,0,23.89" style="color:#0000FF;text-align:left">View Larger Map</a></small>

    Looks like it's got good bike lanes. What it's lacking is a crosswalk, blinking yellow caution lights overhead, rumble strips in the car lane, and adequate signage to allert drivers to get their heads out of their asses.

    Indeed, nice bike lanes.
  • 09-16-2009
    Touch0Gray
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gripped
    Street view of the school entrance from Hwy 9.

    <iframe marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" src="http://maps.google.com/maps/sv?cbp=12,205.02,,0,23.89&cbll=43.109165,-73.771527&panoid=&v=1&hl=en&gl=us" frameborder="0" height="240" scrolling="no" width="425"></iframe>
    <small>View Larger Map</small>

    Looks like it's got good bike lanes. What it's lacking is a crosswalk, blinking yellow caution lights overhead, rumble strips in the car lane, and adequate signage to allert drivers to get their heads out of their asses.



    you gotta be kidding me, I ride worse than that almost every day!
  • 09-16-2009
    asciibaron
    there's no invisible wall between the kids and the cars - you know, a curb. no sidewalk = dangerous.

    ask this guy:

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  • 09-16-2009
    Gripped
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Touch0Gray
    you gotta be kidding me, I ride worse than that almost every day!

    I'm thinking that at peak traffic times, there's a lot of cars and probably speeding. Getting across the traffic lanes or crossing the school driveway might be challenging. Also the school is backed by a train so kids coming from that direction would have to ride around the tracks and travel on Hwy 9 for a bit. The school is not in a densely populated area and I don't know how many kids would be walking or biking.

    Note: it appears to be close to Skidmore College -- probably some prof kids attend that school. Dollars to doughnuts that the mom teaches at the college.
  • 09-16-2009
    PDex
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bocephus Jones II
    Shoddy journalism for sure, but the comments below seem to suggest the school considers Route 9 to be too dangerous to ride a bike on. Still...I don't get where the school has the authority to dictate how a parent chooses to get their kid to school. Here in Boulder kids get prizes for riding to school. My youngest rides nearly every day unless it's too rainy or snowy. They have this program to encourage alternate transportation:

    http://www.freiker.org/bp/Home

    Damn, any traffic near the schools here in town is a mess -- despite the safe routes initiative. My kid rides pretty much everyday to Southern Hills. He rides 36 with his team (which, frankly, makes me a bit nervous).

    In the comment section, someone notes that there is a street that turns into a dirt road and then enters the school property away from Rte 9. If so, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?

    Zero tolerance=Zero intelligence.
  • 09-16-2009
    ampastoral
    and exactly how is that necessary or relevant...but bravo...major cool points for grotesque video :rolleyes:
  • 09-16-2009
    Touch0Gray
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gripped
    I'm thinking that at peak traffic times, there's a lot of cars and probably speeding. Getting across the traffic lanes or crossing the school driveway might be challenging. Also the school is backed by a train so kids coming from that direction would have to ride around the tracks and travel on Hwy 9 for a bit. The school is not in a densely populated area and I don't know how many kids would be walking or biking.

    Note: it appears to be close to Skidmore College -- probably some prof kids attend that school. Dollars to doughnuts that the mom teaches at the college.

    They saving grace is that it is a middle school, at LEAST the kids aren't driving!!!!!!

    I steer WAY clear of the high school at dismissal time.
  • 09-16-2009
    asciibaron
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ampastoral
    and exactly how is that necessary or relevant...but bravo...major cool points for grotesque video :rolleyes:

    note that the person is in the cross walk - walking=dangerous and kids must be kept from all danger. if there was a curb protecting the ped, he would have never been hurt. ask the PTA, they'll tell you how curbs save lives!
  • 09-16-2009
    MR_GRUMPY
    My old grade school has the same rule. The school was built in the 40's when there were few cars on the streets. Now, the street in front of the school is filled with SUV's driven by moms, dropping off their kids, and school buses). If the kids ride their bikes in the road, they'll get mowed down by all the SUV's (it's happened more than once). If the kids ride their bikes on the sidewalk, they'll mow down kids that are walking.
    What to do--what to do?

    PS we all know how well mom driven SUV's drive, and I'm sure that we've all been brushed back by school buses.
  • 09-16-2009
    chatterbox
    When I taught at a middle school in NYC some kids started rollerblading to and from school and it was decided that they could not. It was a parochial school, so independent jurisdiction, but the principal decided that it was too risky. The reason given had to do with insurance liability. Somehow we could be blamed if a kid got hurt on the way to or from? The dumb part was that we had no school busses. Kids walked, walked to the public bus, or got picked up. So we weren't in the business of protecting the kids from door to door, but somehow it was considered a liability if they rolled up. I think that admin didn't want to deal with rolling 12-yr-olds. dumb.