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    Moment Of Impact (WARNING GRAPHIC - SAD)

    https://www.whio.com/news/local/red-...tb6Iun82ewedM/

    It appears that officer did not actively chase vehicle.

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    damn. the bus tipped over. that's cra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfrancois View Post
    damn. the bus tipped over. that's cray.
    Given the mass differential, that car must've flyin' to do that to the bus.

    The car occupants never had a chance. Sad.
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    The kid was flying to hit that bus that hard.
    You can't fix stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akirasho View Post
    https://www.whio.com/news/local/red-...tb6Iun82ewedM/

    It appears that officer did not actively chase vehicle.
    It's amazing that the driver survived.

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    Too bad the knucklehead driving the car didn't run into a wall instead of that bus. Fewer innocents would have been hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveG View Post
    It's amazing that the driver survived.
    Ö reports outside of doctor/patient confidentiality suggests he will not survive, which may translate into a family's decision to terminate life support...

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    Driver had clear line of sight to his left and still powered on. Sad.
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    It's full of factual errors. :nono:

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwisimon View Post
    Driver had clear line of sight to his left and still powered on. Sad.
    A group of teenagers in a car (especially boys) make a lot of bad decisions

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwisimon View Post
    Driver had clear line of sight to his left and still powered on. Sad.
    Remember a thread I posted a while back on "invisibility"? I suspect the driver thought he was still being pursued and A: was checking the rear and B: only saw what he wanted to see.

    The roads here were a decades old compromise. In order to finish a road project started in the fifties, 50MPH highway was constructed with level crossing city streets (which is one of the reasons for the traffic cam). I suspect that the driver knew this (you can barely see that he attempted braking waaay too late) but took his 18 year old brain shot. It's one of the areas we seem to fail.

    While it's legal for an 18 year old to get a license and drive, this is also an area where you need to knock them off their snowflake pedestals and remind them of the finality of momentary stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akirasho View Post
    While it's legal for an 18 year old to get a license and drive, this is also an area where you need to knock them off their snowflake pedestals and remind them of the finality of momentary stupid.
    18 yr olds have always been making bad decisions, nothing new or snowflakey there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    It's full of factual errors. :nono:

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwisimon View Post
    18 yr olds have always been making bad decisions, nothing new or snowflakey there.
    No doubt, but when I was 18, an adult was free to hand me my ass. Today, parents take offense when "strangers" justifiably discipline their kids! When I was 18, the adult would then contact my parents for a second ass handing!

    I don't wanna judge this individual, but tendencies are towards ignoring older or worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwisimon View Post
    18 yr olds have always been making bad decisions, nothing new or snowflakey there.
    The brain isnít fully developed until the mid 20s. I generally never did anything high level stupid like that unless there were friends around. Those two seem to be the biggest factors.

    Makes a good case for getting your kids into some kind of motor sports early, so they better understand the consequences in a more controlled environment.

    Iíd rather have my kid pile head on into the spongy foam wall at the local indoor kart track when heís 8 than a tree or a bus when heís 18.

    But Iíd be willing to bet the cop was more obtrusive than we have been lead to believe. The kid was clearly running.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy69 View Post
    But Iíd be willing to bet the cop was more obtrusive than we have been lead to believe. The kid was clearly running.


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    Absolutetly not. Per her department's policy, she activated lights to make the stop, but when the vehicle sped away, she IMMEDIATLY turned off her lights and was merely following (they don't chase if the only known offense is traffic violation) at quite a distance (cooborated by dash cam).

    Driver died today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akirasho View Post
    Absolutetly not. Per her department's policy, she activated lights to make the stop, but when the vehicle sped away, she IMMEDIATLY turned off her lights and was merely following (they don't chase if the only known offense is traffic violation) at quite a distance (cooborated by dash cam).

    Driver died today.
    It may have been enough to make the driver think he was being chased. And he was, briefly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy69 View Post
    It may have been enough to make the driver think he was being chased. And he was, briefly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by velodog View Post
    Are you saying that it's the cops fault?
    cop's parents fault.
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    No. The cop's actions probably spooked the driver, but if what happened was anything close to what the cop claims, there is really no way she could have known that was going to happen.

    However, there is the possibility that the cop's account is not accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy69 View Post
    No. The cop's actions probably spooked the driver, but if what happened was anything close to what the cop claims, there is really no way she could have known that was going to happen.

    However, there is the possibility that the cop's account is not accurate.
    I guess its always the cops fault?

    In many states, including mine, teenagers get a provisional license. It restricts the hours that they can drive (no 11pm to 5am) and limits the number of passengers to 1 (to avoid the pack of teenagers in a car syndrome). Data shows that it works. I am sorry 3 kids lost their lives here but the blame solely rests with the person driving

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveG View Post
    I guess its always the cops fault?

    In many states, including mine, teenagers get a provisional license. It restricts the hours that they can drive (no 11pm to 5am) and limits the number of passengers to 1 (to avoid the pack of teenagers in a car syndrome). Data shows that it works. I am sorry 3 kids lost their lives here but the blame solely rests with the person driving
    Like I said, not the copís fault - assuming the copís account is accurate.

    Provisional license is a good idea, but Iím more in favor of a more extensive driver skills course. Sort of like the teen street survival courses offered by NASA and SCCA, but more extensive. Eventually put them in an HPDE.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy69 View Post
    Like I said, not the copís fault - assuming the copís account is accurate.

    Provisional license is a good idea, but Iím more in favor of a more extensive driver skills course. Sort of like the teen street survival courses offered by NASA and SCCA, but more extensive. Eventually put them in an HPDE.


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    Certainly improved skills would help, but the problem with teen drivers is they make bad decisions. When you are 16,17,18 you believe you are invincible, know better than adults and ignore risks. Every teenager goes through this to some degree. Evading the cops and driving recklessly is not something that is solved by improved driving skills

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveG View Post
    Certainly improved skills would help, but the problem with teen drivers is they make bad decisions. When you are 16,17,18 you believe you are invincible, know better than adults and ignore risks. Every teenager goes through this to some degree. Evading the cops and driving recklessly is not something that is solved by improved driving skills
    Probably the biggest factor in stupid teen driving mistakes is the presence of other teens. Following closely behind or maybe even in front now are distractions. Skills donít help with those things.

    Not sure how you stop the distractions. Itís difficult enough for adults.

    But I will say that participation in some kind of motor sports not only builds driving skills but also a respect for what can happen when things go wrong. Even a 16 year old has a different perspective on driving fast on public roads if theyíve spun off some sort of course a few times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy69 View Post
    Like I said, not the copís fault - assuming the copís account is accurate.
    Again, raw dash cam footage bears out the cop's report. I don't know what was on her mind at that moment but it is striking how quickly she flipped her lights on, then off... about as quick as humanly possible. Perhaps there had been some reminder of policy in that day's briefing... perhaps she'd had previous experience.

    I would also note that her decision not to pursue does not mean that she did not send in a radio report. The incident occurred about 1/2 half mile from police HQ and it's likely the driver knew this. As indicated in subsequent video, multiple units converged within a minute of the crash.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy69 View Post
    Probably the biggest factor in stupid teen driving mistakes is the presence of other teens.
    Without surviving witnesses we will never know for sure, but people are not that complicated. We act and react within relatively limited parameters. Peers in a car do indeed amplify stupid. In this case, it could be argued that the "distraction" was laser like, peer supported focus on his rear view mirror.

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