• 03-18-2008
    david462
    Open this thread if you work/ed in a bike shop
    im looking at hourly rates here....

    right now im in college. i work seasonally and part time at dicks sporting goods as a bike tech. i started at $10/hr.

    the dicks is 2 hours from college in my home town. however, i really want to live at college for the summer.

    there is a really good bike shop a few miles from my apartment. they sell specialized, orbea, scott, etc. however, being in a college town, i dont know how much business they actually do. though, cycling is pretty big in town. also you have all the kids that ride bikes to class and bring them in to get fixed...

    my experience with higher end bikes is not very high, and i am not a professional mechanic. i can do the basics, and some more technical stuff. i also am very good at sales and that sort of thing.

    i applied on their website the other day. im going to talk to them in a week or two if i dont hear anything (i had to be super aggresive to get the job at dicks, and when i got it i turned the bike department around).

    so given all this, what is the range one can expect to make in a bike shop?
  • 03-18-2008
    MB1
    In a college town a part time worker/student is going to be lucky to make much more than minimum wage. Lots of demand for those summer jobs so there is no real reason for a shop to pay a lot.
  • 03-18-2008
    threesportsinone
    Quote:

    In a college town a part time worker/student is going to be lucky to make much more than minimum wage. Lots of demand for those summer jobs so there is no real reason for a shop to pay a lot.
    +1 I know someone who got hired at a bike shop when he was 15or16 and made less than min wage because of the "training period." You probably wont make $10 and hour, but the convenience of working close to your appt, and at a smaller local bike shop will definitely make up for the money, unless you absolutely need more money for non-bike related stuff.

    What city/college?
  • 03-18-2008
    Val_Garou
    You don't work in a shop for the paycheck, you work in a shop for the discounts. Most of your paycheck you end up giving back.
  • 03-18-2008
    Cruzer2424
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Val_Garou
    You don't work in a shop for the paycheck, you work in a shop for the discounts. Most of your paycheck you end up giving back.

    +1. hah.

    Although after a few years, it was nice to be able to pay some bills with it.
  • 03-18-2008
    david462
    hmm, see thats where im in a dilemna...

    its Clemson, SC.

    first i was looking at working at dicks again and living at home and making a ton of money. but i hate that job, and living at home sucks even worse cause nobody is in town anymore.

    next thing, i dont have a car. i have gotten by with my mom dropping me off at work last summer, and every other week i had my dads car cause he went out of town. but this summer is gonna be a bit tougher.

    some of you may have seen my thread about asking help buying a used car... well thats why i would need to buy the car. to get to work.

    the other thing, my girlfriend of 2 years is going to be in clemson for the summer. its a 2.5 hour drive. if i end up not getting a car till towards the end of summer, ill never see her. it'd be rough.

    now if i lived in clemson, i could see my girlfriend, and i wouldnt need a car (everything is biking distance, especially for someone who already rides).

    maybe working at the shop wont yeild much money, but the discounts might make it worth it as some of you had said.

    i bought the RS2 frame. now i need to build it up. but that wasnt gonna happen till at least i got a car this summer. but now if i dont need a car and i get the discounts on parts, i might be set.

    and as far as money goes, my parents give me rent money and food money. the food money doesnt go very far, only like $5 per day. but other than that i dont spend any money. so working at the shop to stay in clemson and pay for the bike might work out.

    im probably gonna try to apply at a grocery store or something if i get the bike shop job.


    ***************************

    NOW ON TO MY NEXT QUESTION...i wish i had put this in the original post, i might go do that too....

    and this is for those that work/ed in a shop...

    what is the likely hood ill get hired, given what ive told you about myself? i mean, i used to go into the shop and some overweight kid would be sitting behind the counter and i'd ask for something and he wouldnt know what im talking about (i forget what it was, but if you work in a bike shop, you should know, or even if you at least ride bikes). so i think i'd at least be above someone like that.

    sorry im just typing away. im on spring break and all i have to do is work and sit at my house (girlfriend at the beach all week). hmm, just a preview of what summer is gonna be like if im here :(
  • 03-18-2008
    Cruzer2424
    ahh. I never thought I would say this... especially being 23... young and naive. :D
  • 03-18-2008
    MB1
    Don't ask us, ask the shop. And do it very soon-like tomorrow.
    Faint hearts win no fair maids.
  • 03-18-2008
    Touch0Gray
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cruzer2424
    ahh. I never thought I would say this... especially being 23... young and naive. :D

    23?...holy crap.....I got aches and pains older than you..(2 daughters and a son...lol) the baby the biggest pain, but only 18....lol
  • 03-18-2008
    QuiQuaeQuod
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by david462
    im looking at hourly rates here....

    Figure minimum wage. Run the numbers. Then run the numbers for going home.

    You don't want to go home.

    So if the numbers are close, there's your answer. Anything on top of minimum is gravy.

    You might rate more than minimum, you do have relevant job experience. Some wrenching, customer service.... you are not a rookie. A shop might be glad to have you and toss you an extra bit per hour based on that. Don't sell yourself short.

    Don't oversell either. You ain't bicycle repairman!

    (neither are these guys)
  • 03-18-2008
    Cruzer2424
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by david462

    NOW ON TO MY NEXT QUESTION...i wish i had put this in the original post, i might go do that too....

    and this is for those that work/ed in a shop...

    what is the likely hood ill get hired, given what ive told you about myself? i mean, i used to go into the shop and some overweight kid would be sitting behind the counter and i'd ask for something and he wouldnt know what im talking about (i forget what it was, but if you work in a bike shop, you should know, or even if you at least ride bikes). so i think i'd at least be above someone like that.

    sorry im just typing away. im on spring break and all i have to do is work and sit at my house (girlfriend at the beach all week). hmm, just a preview of what summer is gonna be like if im here :(

    I've literally probably had tons of kids come in and ask me for jobs while I worked at various shops. Once I was manager, and had the power to hire someone, it depended on 1. experience, and 2. personality. In my eyes, Dick's bike department didn't really count as experience. So many times, customers came in with bikes built/bought @ Dicks and they were all really messed up. The first few times it was like "Wow. They sold it like that?" After 3 or 4 bikes later it was more like "Oh. Another Dick's Bike..." And of course number 2 goes... I'm not going to hire someone that I wouldn't get a long with...

    If you really think you're qualified, ask them if you can build a bike for them.

    Oh. And in some shops, it's really difficult to get hired. A competing shop one of the ones I worked at required college degrees... not because of what you'll learn while you're in college, but just to prove that you're not an idiot and you can finish something (lets save whether or not they'll give college degrees to idiots for another thread, shall we?). AFAIK, that shop routinely did over 4m in business every year. That's practically unheard of for any bike shop...
  • 03-18-2008
    singlecross
    Lemme see... hmmmm... (scratching head)...

    Option 1: Live at home with Mom and Dad, no car, work at a Big Box Chain store, beating off.
    Option 2: Live on your own (Mom and Dad pay rent and some food), you don't necessarily need a car, work at a higher end bike shop and learn/build some skills, girlfriend.

    That's a tough one... but I'm gonna have to recommend option 2 having never been to Clemson, SC.

    singlecross
  • 03-18-2008
    david462
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cruzer2424
    I've literally probably had tons of kids come in and ask me for jobs while I worked at various shops. Once I was manager, and had the power to hire someone, it depended on 1. experience, and 2. personality. In my eyes, Dick's bike department didn't really count as experience. So many times, customers came in with bikes built/bought @ Dicks and they were all really messed up. The first few times it was like "Wow. They sold it like that?" After 3 or 4 bikes later it was more like "Oh. Another Dick's Bike..." And of course number 2 goes... I'm not going to hire someone that I wouldn't get a long with...

    If you really think you're qualified, ask them if you can build a bike for them.

    Oh. And in some shops, it's really difficult to get hired. A competing shop one of the ones I worked at required college degrees... not because of what you'll learn while you're in college, but just to prove that you're not an idiot and you can finish something (lets save whether or not they'll give college degrees to idiots for another thread, shall we?). AFAIK, that shop routinely did over 4m in business every year. That's practically unheard of for any bike shop...


    k, well for one thing, no two dicks are alike.

    my friend who goes to school in charleston bought a bike from dicks. the guy sold him a 24" quest and was all messed up when he got it. i could only laugh when he told me he thought it was too small only to find out it was a 24.

    ive worked at various other stores (dicks) around SC/NC and probably have of them are crap. some didnt even have a bike tech.

    the store i work at is different. the full time tech could work in a regular bike shop. his dad owns a bike shop....etc etc.

    i mean come on, bikes arnt that hard to work on. its not like its an automobile or an aircraft or anything. remember the guy i mentioned earlier in this thread? the one who didnt know what something was when i asked for it at the bike shop i want to work at? if he is in there, why couldnt i be?
  • 03-18-2008
    Touch0Gray
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by david462
    k, well for one thing, no two dicks are alike.




    hehehehe.....is that c0de?...........
  • 03-18-2008
    Cyclo-phile
    I got $7/hr at the first shop I worked for, in a college town, back in 1998. My duties consisted almost entirely of building new bikes that retailed for $2000 or less. The expensive bikes were built by the head mechanic. It was an incredible learning experience for me. I now wrench for a pro women's mountain bike and cyclocross team as a second, seasonal job. I'm a welding engineer the rest of the time. :)
  • 03-18-2008
    kiwisimon
    "now if i lived in clemson, i could see my girlfriend, and i wouldnt need a car (everything is biking distance, especially for someone who already rides).

    maybe working at the shop wont yeild much money, but the discounts might make it worth it as some of you had said."

    take the job even if they are paying you cup noodles. Girl friend, living away from home , and working with bikes. Try something creative like the first however long you work for crap wages and if you are as good as you say you are they then pay you more, might get you in to start. Good luck.
  • 03-18-2008
    Cruzer2424
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by david462
    k, well for one thing, no two dicks are alike.

    my friend who goes to school in charleston bought a bike from dicks. the guy sold him a 24" quest and was all messed up when he got it. i could only laugh when he told me he thought it was too small only to find out it was a 24.

    ive worked at various other stores (dicks) around SC/NC and probably have of them are crap. some didnt even have a bike tech.

    the store i work at is different. the full time tech could work in a regular bike shop. his dad owns a bike shop....etc etc.

    i mean come on, bikes arnt that hard to work on. its not like its an automobile or an aircraft or anything. remember the guy i mentioned earlier in this thread? the one who didnt know what something was when i asked for it at the bike shop i want to work at? if he is in there, why couldnt i be?

    haha. Well I didn't know that at the time. And with so many other kids coming in and out asking for jobs... Do you see where I'm going? It's much easier to write someone off and call up another candidate.

    Of course bikes aren't hard to work on. But there are a lot of idiots out there. Prove that you aren't one of them.

    Like I said... ask them if you can build a bike for them. Do it in 40 minutes, do it perfectly, try and have some interesting things to talk about... they'll have nothing to complain about and the job will be yours.
  • 03-18-2008
    teoteoteo
    If your at home with mom n dad you'll spend more in lotion than if you were at Clemson for sure.

    Now for the serious advice. I worked at shops for years and am still in the bike industry. Present yourself as someone that has taken the time to learn the basics at another bike. Focus on what YOU can do, not on what you can't. Shops need versatile people so tell them you wrenched but also focus on other things your good at.

    Don't tell them you have great customer service, talk to them about ways you've learned to take great care of people. Details matter so make sure you come in over prepared in terms or dress, resume, etc.

    Be flexible with schedule etc, don't tell them you want to ride until 2pm and them leave at 5, plus that you want to race every weekend...$hit, every shop guy wants that.

    Know as much as you can about their brands and if you get the job treat every customer and vendor well enough that they would consider hiring you if they had a business. Doing that means you'll be able to always land on your feet.

    I guess I'd also say don't treat the job or go into with the idea that it is a temporary blow-off job and while you go to school you'll always have a chance to make the best of where your at.
  • 03-18-2008
    david462
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by teoteoteo
    If your at home with mom n dad you'll spend more in lotion than if you were at Clemson for sure.

    Now for the serious advice. I worked at shops for years and am still in the bike industry. Present yourself as someone that has taken the time to learn the basics at another bike. Focus on what YOU can do, not on what you can't. Shops need versatile people so tell them you wrenched but also focus on other things your good at.

    Don't tell them you have great customer service, talk to them about ways you've learned to take great care of people. Details matter so make sure you come in over prepared in terms or dress, resume, etc.

    Be flexible with schedule etc, don't tell them you want to ride until 2pm and them leave at 5, plus that you want to race every weekend...$hit, every shop guy wants that.

    Know as much as you can about their brands and if you get the job treat every customer and vendor well enough that they would consider hiring you if they had a business. Doing that means you'll be able to always land on your feet.

    I guess I'd also say don't treat the job or go into with the idea that it is a temporary blow-off job and while you go to school you'll always have a chance to make the best of where your at.

    thanks for the advice...
  • 03-19-2008
    Davoosie
    Unless your an excellent wrench and/or know your s**t about the brands then don't expect to make much more than minimum, especially in a college town.
  • 03-19-2008
    david462
    wooooo i got an interview set up!

    time to re-familarize myself with specialized/scott/etc.
  • 03-19-2008
    Becky
    IMO, the most important thing is to be personable and pleasant, not necessarily to know everything about everything. There's nothing worse that going into a shop where none of the staff know how to smile, make eye contact, and converse with the customers.

    You can always teach someone more about bikes, bike parts, etc. But teaching "people skills" is much more difficult.

    Good luck with your interview!
  • 03-19-2008
    darbo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cyclo-phile
    ...My duties consisted almost entirely of building new bikes that retailed for $2000 or less. The expensive bikes were built by the head mechanic. It was an incredible learning experience for me....

    Builder, that is your way in. Every shop wants/needs someone who will crank out quality bike builds. You may have people skills, and you may have check-in repair experience, and those will help you if they do want you to do time at the counter, or develop you to be a main mechanic, or just take care of the simpler jobs. But somebody with knowledge of the basic mechanics of a bicycle, and can whip out fast reliable builds for hours on end is gold, especially this time of year. Bikes in boxes are worthless, and bike builders that dawdle or screw up waste money. If you can park yourself at a stand and handle the unglamorous task of building for hours on end, day after day, maintaining quality and productivity, you are money in the bank for them.
  • 03-19-2008
    jd3
    Don't forget to dress properly. I know a kid who was a great wrench and good with people. Customers would walk past him because of the way he dressed. Boss had a talk with him, he cleaned up his act and sold 3 high end bikes the next day.
  • 03-19-2008
    MIN in PDX
    I worked as a wrench in high school. I got $15/bike to assemble them out of the box. No hourly base.

    Those were good times. I remember biking 10 miles each way to work at the only shop that would employee a 16 year old.
  • 03-19-2008
    david462
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MIN in PDX
    I worked as a wrench in high school. I got $15/bike to assemble them out of the box. No hourly base.

    Those were good times. I remember biking 10 miles each way to work at the only shop that would employee a 16 year old.

    $15/bike????? thats like $30/hr

    i'm not worried about my appearance or personal skills. im probably gonna wear kaki shorts or pants and a solid colored shirt. not too worried about that. the people that work in the shop mostly wear whatever, except the head mechanic always wears one of those button up bike mech shirts.
  • 03-19-2008
    MIN in PDX
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by david462
    $15/bike????? thats like $30/hr

    i'm not worried about my appearance or personal skills. im probably gonna wear kaki shorts or pants and a solid colored shirt. not too worried about that. the people that work in the shop mostly wear whatever, except the head mechanic always wears one of those button up bike mech shirts.

    I wore thongs and a halter top, maybe that's why they paid me so much.
  • 03-19-2008
    de.abeja
    Performance pays me $9hr to stay awake for a few hours two days a month...lol
  • 03-25-2008
    david462
    i have an interview in 1 hour....

    im nervous/anxious as hell. not for the interview, but cause i want this job so bad if i get it ill be so freaking happy.

    my thought is if they are going through the trouble to interview me, they are in the position to hire someone... and i believe im the right person, or good enough to work there basically.

    im trying to stay calm but i cant.
  • 03-25-2008
    MB1
    Smoke some Rope.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by david462
    ....im trying to stay calm but i cant.

    You'll fit right in.
  • 03-25-2008
    Creakyknees
    Sorry this is late, but why only look at bike shops? There must be other jobs in town that pay as much / more... bartending, waiting tables, mowing lawns, dealin dope... just saying
  • 03-25-2008
    stevers
    So how did the interview go?
  • 03-25-2008
    david462
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Creakyknees
    Sorry this is late, but why only look at bike shops? There must be other jobs in town that pay as much / more... bartending, waiting tables, mowing lawns, dealin dope... just saying

    true true. the bike shop is the first place i want to work at. im expecting the pay to be low but will make up for it cause my summers earnings are going towards building up my RS2. and i'd love to work in that shop....

    the only bad thing about finding a different job to stay in clemson is that its not gonna pay $11/hr like i'd get at Dicks, except waiting tables, and those jobs are hard to get around here especially having no experience.

    but if i dont get the job im gonna look around, maybe grocery stores or whatever. its gonna be hell for work but hopefully it'd be worth it and ill make enough money for bike parts.
  • 03-25-2008
    david462
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stevers
    So how did the interview go?

    thanks for asking...

    got there on time... walk in, say im here to see Mike (store manager) for an interview. lady points me to his direction...

    greet each other, shake hands, then go out the back door to talk outside (theres not really a room in there to conduct an interview).

    so im out there stairing into the sun cause i didnt bring in my sunglasses... he asks me questions that i figure he'd ask. some questions he didnt ask that i wished he did (whats your major?, im an mechanical engineering major and i personally think thatd help my cause). also didnt ask if i ride but i guess that should be a given.

    i was very honest with everything he asked. for the most part i said i had experience or was confident with (insert task here). a few things i admitted i had no experience with, like 3 speed hubs and bleeding hydraulic fluid.

    asked me about parts and clothing. said ive been riding road for 2 years, done a lot of research/ read reviews, in process of building own bike blah blah blah.

    he talked a lot about how the store is run, hopefully meaning that hes interested in hiring me. i mean he talked 5-10 minutes just about the store.

    asked if i was familiar with the specialized line (main brand they sell). good question for me since i visit their website at least once a week and tried to buy a tarmac i was eyeing for a few months till financial issues arose. i told him ive read a few of the technical documents from specialized (fact stuff).

    asked a few technical questions i sorda stumbled on but they were things that i could definitly learn i just wasnt up to date...

    after 10 minutes or so he had the main mechanic come out and talk as well. this guy is real cool. ive dealt with him a few times just buying small parts. he asked better questions for me i think too.

    anyways at the end of it all he said they'd talk it over and let me know...

    now im waiting for the call.


    and since this is the lounge and almost anything goes...

    if anyone saw my other thread about electric razors, well, i went to walmart after my interview and they didnt have them in teh store. i was pissed. but before that i sold some old ps2 games at gamestop for $22 then sold my ps2 to my roomate for $40. then i went for a 2 hour ride.

    the end.
  • 03-25-2008
    Creakyknees
    Sounds like it went well.

    And if not, well you can always sell your body on the streets.
  • 03-25-2008
    lookrider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Creakyknees
    Sounds like it went well.

    And if not, well you can always sell your body on the streets.

    or your blood or other bodily fluids....:eek:
  • 03-25-2008
    stevers
    Yeah, sounds like it did go well. Why don't you investigate other options while you wait. That way you have other alternatives (besides the blood, blood plasma, or other bodily fluids.....)
  • 03-26-2008
    david462
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stevers
    Yeah, sounds like it did go well. Why don't you investigate other options while you wait. That way you have other alternatives (besides the blood, blood plasma, or other bodily fluids.....)

    i applied online to food lion, hopefully as a grocery stocker and not standing up front at the checkout. i didnt fully finish the application cause you can save your progress. i did everything except answer the stupid questions with check boxes. i still got an (automatic) email saying they got my app.

    when do you think i can expect a call back? will they call even if i dont get the job?

    ive never had to wait like this. ive had three other jobs. 2 i got hired on the spot after the interview, and the third (dicks sporting goods) i got a call back 5 minutes after i left on my drive home.
  • 03-26-2008
    david462
    i got a call back today, he asked me to come in tomorrow morning to build a few bikes and go from there...

    no big deal cause building bikes is pretty easy right? ive built hundreds of bikes...

    but i am nervous. i dont know what bikes hes gonna have me build. but ive never built a carbon fiber bike. what kinda grease do i use for the seatpost?

    also, when building high end bikes do mechanics normally usue a torque wrench on everything, or anything? keep in mind the bikes come mostly assembled. it should jsut be a matter of installing stem/handlebars, front wheel, pedals, adjusting brakes deraillers.
  • 03-26-2008
    mrfixit
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by david462
    no big deal cause building bikes is pretty easy right? ive built hundreds of bikes....

    You have put together hundreds, but have you ever properly assembled and adjusted a bike?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by david462
    also, when building high end bikes do mechanics normally usue a torque wrench on everything, or anything? keep in mind the bikes come mostly assembled. it should jsut be a matter of installing stem/handlebars, front wheel, pedals, adjusting brakes deraillers.

    Torque wrench...Some do and some don't, the more you work with it, the less you need it.

    If you just installed those parts and adjusted the brakes and gears, I would not be impressed.

    I would ask to see if they have check list for assembly, if so, follow that.
    Lube all threads, ask about torque specs, and if they want you to use a torque wrench.
    You will look better to them if you ask questions about the build.
    Your experience at Dicks will do you little good when building for a good shop, you will probably start by removing some parts and checking bearing adjustments and such. Never assume anything is adjusted or tight from the factory.
    Good luck

    FYI. I was Branch manager for a local chain for 10 years, hired and fired many. I was in the industry for 20+ years total. I'm glad I'm out.
  • 03-26-2008
    jmilliron
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by david462
    i got a call back today, he asked me to come in tomorrow morning to build a few bikes and go from there...


    Grats.

    Make sure to read, re-read and take to heart everything in mrfixit's post.
  • 03-26-2008
    david462
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrfixit
    You have put together hundreds, but have you ever properly assembled and adjusted a bike?


    Torque wrench...Some do and some don't, the more you work with it, the less you need it.

    If you just installed those parts and adjusted the brakes and gears, I would not be impressed.

    I would ask to see if they have check list for assembly, if so, follow that.
    Lube all threads, ask about torque specs, and if they want you to use a torque wrench.
    You will look better to them if you ask questions about the build.
    Your experience at Dicks will do you little good when building for a good shop, you will probably start by removing some parts and checking bearing adjustments and such. Never assume anything is adjusted or tight from the factory.
    Good luck

    FYI. I was Branch manager for a local chain for 10 years, hired and fired many. I was in the industry for 20+ years total. I'm glad I'm out.

    k, so before i build, i should ask if they go by a checklist for the builds, and ask about the torque wrench...

    lube all threads? i know im not a professional, but i also didnt know that you need to lube ALL threads... i never lube stem bolts. they usually came from the factory with some loc-tite on them bu thats it...

    so do i really lube all threads? and if i do, do i just use some of the same grease i would use on the pedals?

    im glad you gave me that information but it kinda made me more nervous. im trying not to worry about it though cause its not like i NEED this job

    edit: also, i know they want it done right, but they also know i dont know everything that a mechanic should know from my interview with them. they know im willing to learn. and i still think im well ahead of the guy sitting behind the counter when i went in to get a chain tool. he had know idea what i was talking about and had to ask the main mechanic behind him. bought a tube from the same guy and he didnt bother to ask any specifics about the size, valve type/length etc. i ended up with a tube where the valve was barely long enough for my already shallow rim. i know i shoulda made sure it was right as the customer, but if it was the other way around, i woulda made sure the customer was getting the proper tube.
  • 03-26-2008
    jmilliron
    They are going to want to know that you are methodical and thorough.
  • 03-26-2008
    teoteoteo
    Mr. Fixit has most of it nailed. The difference between average and good include lubing places like stem bolts, seatposts, binder bolts, ahead bolts, etc

    Then read up on things like pre-stretching cables. Take the wheels off and check the tension and true/round etc. factory wheels are often a source of issues.

    One good way to see how they build is show up 10 minutes early and take a quick scan of how they set up stems for instance. Most shops leave them in the "up" position but some flip them over so they look more racer boy, etc,

    +2 on the pre-build checklist.

    Good Luck
  • 03-26-2008
    david462
    i looked on the park tool site a bit just now....

    for greesing threads, it looks like you want to use a liquid type grease on smaller threads (headset size) and the thicker grease on larger threads (pedals).

    havnt looked at cable stretching yet.

    hopefully these are the only two things i wouldnt have done at dicks that i will do at the shop.

    do i really have to take the rear wheel off to check that its true?
  • 03-26-2008
    mrfixit
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by david462
    k, so before i build, i should ask if they go by a checklist for the builds, and ask about the torque wrench...

    lube all threads? i know im not a professional, but i also didnt know that you need to lube ALL threads... i never lube stem bolts. they usually came from the factory with some loc-tite on them bu thats it...

    so do i really lube all threads? and if i do, do i just use some of the same grease i would use on the pedals?

    im glad you gave me that information but it kinda made me more nervous. im trying not to worry about it though cause its not like i NEED this job.

    Yes, you should lube all threads with grease, unless they are Ti, then use anti-sneeze or Ti prep. Even if a bolt comes pre-lubed, I usually lube it again. It can't hurt.
    A torque wrench will not give you an accurate reading with dry threads, one more reason to lube them.
    If they don't start by giving you a build check list, then ask if they use one. If they don't use one, they should. It's the best way for a shop to ensure a quality build every time.
    Then, ask if you will need a torque wrench for the build?
    They will probably give you a basic bike to build, and you should not need a torque wrench to build it.
    Carbon and light weight parts are usually the most sensitive to over tightening. Some shops will use a torque wrench for crank bolts.
    Just make sure you know what they expect to be done as part of the assembly process.
    They already know that you will need some training, so don't be afraid to ask.
    The worst interviews are the ones where the applicant thinks he knows it all.:mad2:
    Don't stress, if you are good with a wrench, it won't matter that you don't know everything.
  • 03-26-2008
    mrfixit
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by david462
    i looked on the park tool site a bit just now....

    for greesing threads, it looks like you want to use a liquid type grease on smaller threads (headset size) and the thicker grease on larger threads (pedals).

    havnt looked at cable stretching yet.

    hopefully these are the only two things i wouldnt have done at dicks that i will do at the shop.

    do i really have to take the rear wheel off to check that its true?

    There are several thing that you will want to check on the rear wheel. You won't be able to check it, with it in the bike.
    You need to check that the rear cones are adjusted and that the outer lock nuts are tight. You will want to check that the cassette lock ring is tight, they may also want that greased, they may even want the cassette body greased lightly.
    You will want to grease the skewer shaft, before re-installing it.
    Then the wheel will need to be checked for true. A cheaper bike may be done in the bike, a nice bike will done in the truing stand. It depends on the shop.....follow that build check list:thumbsup:
    That should cover the basics for the rear wheel. Now you can see that Dicks and the LBS (a good one) are worlds apart.

    All the shops I have worked in just used grease on threads, usually applied with a paint brush, in a tub of Park Polylube or other crap grease.
  • 03-26-2008
    teoteoteo
    Checking these things is always a good idea. Even high end Mavic wheels come out of the box with play in the hubs so checking them out for the bike is always a good call. Grease is cheap, components aren't. On nicer bikes I'd even pull the BB and re-grease that. I personally don't see the need to use multiple types of grease as long as you have a good shop quality of grease on the bench.

    Each wrench has his own quirks. I personally love to take a tiny amount of slick honey grease and put in on new cables. Then I wipe them off with a clean rag but just enough of the slick honey stays after wiping to make it shift/brake just a bit smoother.

    Really fast builders do things like hone/ream seat tube if bike is steel/alum/ti while bike is still IN the box. Then they grease seat tube, install post and hang it in the stand. They will then grease all the spots they can quickly access like the crank threads, binder bolts, etc

    I don't want to overcomplicate things for you but AT least if you hear terms like "pre-stretch" and such hopefully you'll be a little familiar and not have any deer in the headlights if they ask. Good luck, I'm pulling for you just because it seems like you have put some effort into this.
  • 03-27-2008
    david462
    I GOT HIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    k i just typed a whole essay about how it went and know no one is gonna read that so heres a shorter version....

    highlight was building a rouboux. even though i was nervous as hell while doing it. came out pretty good, the mechanic looked it over and didnt adjust a single thing and there it went onto the sales floor.
  • 03-27-2008
    Touch0Gray
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by david462
    I GOT HIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    k i just typed a whole essay about how it went and know no one is gonna read that so heres a shorter version....

    highlight was building a rouboux. even though i was nervous as hell while doing it. came out pretty good, the mechanic looked it over and didnt adjust a single thing and there it went onto the sales floor.


    congrats...