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    Saw 'Ford vs Ferrari' (short review)...

    See it. Four stars out of four. Best auto-racing movie I've ever seen.

    It works so well because it does what so few movies in its genre ever do... it gives us just enough 'this is hardcore racing' stuff to keep us grounded, while never ever losing sight of the characters, emotional stakes, and plain old good storytelling. Which allows Ford v Ferrari to be enjoyed almost equally by racing enthusiasts and those who don't know or care about auto racing alike.

    And the racing? Done masterfully. You get the speed, chaos, and intensity of the professional racetrack, without the almost-inevitable-these-days stupid rapid-fire jump cuts that only confuse the viewer and make it impossible to place yourself within the action. The soundtrack is also one of the best I've heard in quite awhile, and really adds to the racing scenes.

    Oh, and Christian Bale deserves an Oscar nom for his portrayal of legendary race driver Ken Miles. Most of the supporting cast is excellent as well.

    Gripes? Very few. Matt Damon does a solid job but doesn't disappear into his biographical character quite as well as Bale does. Jon Bernthal is miscast as an impossibly good-looking Lee Iacocca. And I wanted to see a bit more of Enzo Ferrari (it's a great performance in a small role). That's about it.

    Again, see it. It's exactly the kind of movie Hollywood should be making more of, but isn't.



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    Thanks for the review. I am look forward to seeing it.

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    Was Phil Remington's name mentioned in the movie? If not, a horrible mistake.
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    The biggest change to the car was a new braking system. When drivers braked after Le Mans' Mulsanne Straight, the front brake rotors would reach 1,500 degrees F, frying the rotors. An engineer on the Ford team, Phil Remington, created a quick-change brake system which allowed new pads and rotors to be placed during a driver change.
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    Best racing movie you ever saw? High praise. I am interested to see this but the wife is not so it will probably be a renter, but seems like a big screen kinda movie

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    An excellent motion picture. Enjoyed the heck out of it. A veritable Hollywood time machine. Yeah, sometimes it went in predictable directions. For one, the relationship between Ken Miles and his wife & kid could've had a bit more surprise or perhaps even comedy. But I loved Christian Bale and I thought Matt Damon did a first class job as Christian's partner/nemesis/foil. Shelby was the businessman. Miles was the sensitive artist.

    BTW, I actually met Carroll Shelby once. One of my dad's buddies was on the fringes of the race scene and knew the guy. One day, the buddy got me and dad a pit pass at Riverside Raceway where Shelby was doing this thing. A friendly hello. Then Shelby got back to business. Was Ken Miles there, too? I have no idea.
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    Nice write up and comments, thank you so much. Seeing it tomorrow.
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    I'm glad this movie didn't have time travel as a plot device.
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    Very good review. Better than some professional reviews.

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    Yep, thanks for the review. I always enjoy reading your movie reviews. Will definitely add this to my list now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaeP View Post
    I'm glad this movie didn't have time travel as a plot device.
    You must’ve been in the john for the part where Bale visits the 23rd century.
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    I thought it was good, not great. There wasn't really all that much racing in the movie, but was more about the development of the race car and the personalities involved. I thought "Rush" was better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemShock View Post
    You must’ve been in the john for the part where Bale visits the 23rd century.
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    Also no mention of the part where the GT40 is electric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hfc View Post
    Also no mention of the part where the GT40 is electric.
    I think we all know why the GT40 was so fast:


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    Quote Originally Posted by davelikestoplay View Post
    Best racing movie you ever saw? High praise. I am interested to see this but the wife is not so it will probably be a renter, but seems like a big screen kinda movie
    Ditch your wife and go see it in the theater (no, I don't mean permanently )

    This is one of the greatest automotive grudge matches of all time, and deserves to be seen on the big screen. Oddly enough, my wife wants to see it, so I am good there, I would have seen it already (I usually go to the movies late Friday after my kid goes to sleep, alone since someone has to stay home, for some reason teh theater is a guilty pleasure for me, even though it is definitely not worth it from a cost perspective these days). Then again, my wife is also a Top Gear (the original crew, although I like the previous cast, and on the fence about the current cast) and The Grand Tour, so maybe I got lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    Was Phil Remington's name mentioned in the movie? If not, a horrible mistake.
    I think they mentioned Phil Hill.

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    Saw this last night with my wife and two boys. For background, my boys and I are huge F1 fans. We watch every race on TV and have been to both Suzuka and Hockenheim for an F1 Grand Prix. I have have been to several more Grands Prix before they were born.

    Anyway, this is a really good movie, and an excellent racing movie. What it does best is balance. That is, there is a really good balance of story, character development and racing action. At no time does it feel like it drags.

    For contrast, take the movie Le Mans with Steve McQueen. This movie is very heavy on racing action but the story and character development are razor thin. On the other end of the spectrum is Grand Prix starring James Garner. Although this movie features some great racing action at Monaco, Spa and Monza, there really isn't that much of it overall. Instead the focus is on the characters and their relationships and almost plays out as a bit of a soap opera.

    Ford v Ferrari has a great story, great characters and some awesome racing scenes. There's even a bit of a technical angle for you gearheads as the car developed. Even my wife enjoyed. Highly recommended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    Was Phil Remington's name mentioned in the movie? If not, a horrible mistake.
    Yes. Carroll Shelby introduces him to Henry Ford II.

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    saw it last nite...some decent race car porn. hard to dislike a flick showing Shelby Daytonas, GT350 Mustangs, AC Cobras, and a bunch of GT40s...nom nom nom.

    Damon and Bales turned in very watchable performances.

    but, while I get that a main-stream Hollywood offering has to appeal to a wide audience, there were some scenes that annoyed the crap out of me. specifically, the one where Ken Miles' wife is throwing the Family Truckster around a highway like a lunatic. please...

    also found several instances that were way too reminiscent of Days of Thunder...the 'rubbin' is racin' thing, ya know.

    thankfully only one character (the douchey Ford exec Beebe) used the cringe-worthy reference of 'RPMs'...gag.

    best racing movie ever...? not really. for my tastes, Grand Prix and Steve McQueen in LeMans rate higher ...

    also, the reverence shown for 7,000 RPM was a little amusing to me...my daily driver has a redline of 8,200.
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    This seems to be a vintage year for retro buddy films. I gotta say, though, that as enjoyable as Ford vs. Ferrari may be, I saw a couple others that were a good deal better. First, there's The Lighthouse. Talk about intense... Then there's Tarantino's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, which is still my favorite film of the year. A virtuoso comedic romp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mapei View Post
    ... First, there's The Lighthouse. Talk about intense...
    Like "Rover" Pattinson climbs out of the Twilight franchise and deservingly lives up to being a greater actor.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mapei View Post
    ...Then there's Tarantino's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, which is still my favorite film of the year. A virtuoso comedic romp.
    Quentin's childhood. His love of Hollywood. Transition.

    A Great film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxtox View Post
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    thankfully only one character (the douchey Ford exec Beebe) used the cringe-worthy reference of 'RPMs'...gag.
    You nailed it on all points.

    As for the red line stuff, the film could have been more involved and was with drag coefficiency and that of an unrefined cast iron engine pushing limits. The entirety of "braking" was a breaker for me, though, not noted clearly enough. Phil Remington had 1/2 of the victory in his name.

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    Loved it other than the godawful Speedster replica in the first scene with painted red bumpers and ridiculous padded headrest. WTF

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    Rotten Tomatoes

    Critics score: 92%
    Audience score: 98%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Chinaski View Post
    Loved it other than the godawful Speedster replica in the first scene with painted red bumpers and ridiculous padded headrest. WTF
    I didn't notice those - the ones which stuck out to me were the 18"+ wheels on the Cobra Daytonas and the white gel-coated fiberglass Cobras.

    But those are details that wouldn't stick out to too many people. It's still a very good movie.

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