Terms of Use update

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  • 02-22-2008
    gregg
    Terms of Use update
    Hey All, just following up, like I said I would...

    I have fixed the links in the footer section of the forums, so at least the links below now work.

    We are still working on the text, but here is another revision:


    "Thank you for contributing your photos, thoughts, and text to this site. We appreciate your contribution. There are a few things you should know about posting your photos and text here. When you post a photo, image, or text, you give us permission to use that content. Usually your contributions are used in the context you post them, i.e.; in the forums, galleries, reviews, etc. Occasionally, we also use something posted here to promote the site on our network or elsewhere. However, you don't lose the right to use that content yourself. And we have no intention of taking photos you post here and re-selling them. We may license content to another party; e.g., a review you post here might appear on another site we provide reviews to. However, if we use your images, we will ask you for your permission, and if you do not agree to our using of your images, we will remove it.

    For content that is linked to (meaning the text or images are not uploaded to a RoadBikeReview or ConsumerReview Network site's servers, but are only linked to (which may include embedded code)), we do not claim rights to that content.

    For the full legal information, please read the License Grant below:

    License Grant:
    By contributing or submitting product reviews, message board postings, product photographs, or any other Content, you automatically grant (or warrant that the owner of such rights has expressly granted) us an non-exclusive, irrevocable, royalty-free, transferable and worldwide right and license to use, copy, display, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from and distribute such materials or incorporate such materials into any form, medium or technology without necessarily compensating you. We will ask for permission before we use your images for uses outside of where the content is originally posted. None of the materials shall be subject to any obligation of confidence on the part of ConsumerREVIEW.com.

    This License Grant does not apply to content that is linked to (meaning the text or images are not uploaded to a RoadBikeReview or ConsumerReview Network site's servers, but are only linked to (which may include embedded code))."


    I know I'm in a position where I can't please everyone, but we are making a serious effort to address all the concerns that have been raised.

    LMK what you think...

    Thanks,

    -gregg
  • 02-22-2008
    JoeDaddio
    First!








    joe
  • 02-22-2008
    KenB
    You da man! Thank you.

    If that's what makes it into the final TOS, I'll be happily linking my pix again.


    :thumbsup:
  • 02-22-2008
    Ridgetop
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    First with a picture!
    Gregg can use it also :).
  • 02-22-2008
    Touch0Gray
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gregg
    Hey All, just following up, like I said I would...

    I have fixed the links in the footer section of the forums, so at least the links below now work.

    We are still working on the text, but here is another revision:


    "Thank you for contributing your photos, thoughts, and text to this site. We appreciate your contribution. There are a few things you should know about posting your photos and text here. When you post a photo, image, or text, you give us permission to use that content. Usually your contributions are used in the context you post them, i.e.; in the forums, galleries, reviews, etc. Occasionally, we also use something posted here to promote the site on our network or elsewhere. However, you don't lose the right to use that content yourself. And we have no intention of taking photos you post here and re-selling them. We may license content to another party; e.g., a review you post here might appear on another site we provide reviews to. However, if we use your images, we will ask you for your permission, and if you do not agree to our using of your images, we will remove it.

    For content that is linked to (meaning the text or images are not uploaded to a RoadBikeReview or ConsumerReview Network site's servers, but are only linked to (which may include embedded code)), we do not claim rights to that content.

    For the full legal information, please read the License Grant below:

    License Grant:
    By contributing or submitting product reviews, message board postings, product photographs, or any other Content, you automatically grant (or warrant that the owner of such rights has expressly granted) us an non-exclusive, irrevocable, royalty-free, transferable and worldwide right and license to use, copy, display, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from and distribute such materials or incorporate such materials into any form, medium or technology without necessarily compensating you. We will ask for permission before we use your images for uses outside of where the content is originally posted. None of the materials shall be subject to any obligation of confidence on the part of ConsumerREVIEW.com.

    This License Grant does not apply to content that is linked to (meaning the text or images are not uploaded to a RoadBikeReview or ConsumerReview Network site's servers, but are only linked to (which may include embedded code))."


    I know I'm in a position where I can't please everyone, but we are making a serious effort to address all the concerns that have been raised.

    LMK what you think...

    Thanks,

    -gregg


    you say that all in one breath?......you might want to switch to decaff.....

    so what are you saying you're going to sell the naked pictures of my wife I posted on Podium Girls?..... GOOD FRICKEN LUCK.........
  • 02-22-2008
    DrRoebuck
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gregg
    ... you automatically grant (or warrant that the owner of such rights has expressly granted) us an non-exclusive, irrevocable, royalty-free, transferable and worldwide right ...

    Sweet mother of crack*****s! :23:

    Per SteveCNJ's thoughts on the other thread, can you remove the word "irrevocable?" I know this won't apply to me since I don't upload images, but something like that could get in the way of someone selling their images down the line.

    But screw it. Even if you guys want to leave it in you've still done an amazing job of listening to your users and adjusting. Considering the legal issues involved, I know it couldn't have been easy. Thanks a lot, Gregg (and Thien and whoever else).
  • 02-23-2008
    QuiQuaeQuod
    If it is revokable, then someone could spike an ad campaign after it is going on. Hard to work that way.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DrRoebuck
    But screw it. Even if you guys want to leave it in you've still done an amazing job of listening to your users and adjusting. Considering the legal issues involved, I know it couldn't have been easy. Thanks a lot, Gregg (and Thien and whoever else).


    Agreed. Well done! :thumbsup:
  • 02-23-2008
    SteveCnj
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gregg
    ....you automatically grant (or warrant that the owner of such rights has expressly granted) us an non-exclusive, irrevocable, royalty-free, transferable and worldwide right and license to use, copy, display, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from and distribute such materials or incorporate such materials into any form, medium or technology without necessarily compensating you. We will ask for permission before we use your images for uses outside of where the content is originally posted. None of the materials shall be subject to any obligation of confidence on the part of ConsumerREVIEW.com.

    This License Grant does not apply to content that is linked to (meaning the text or images are not uploaded to a RoadBikeReview or ConsumerReview Network site's servers, but are only linked to (which may include embedded code))."


    LMK what you think...

    Thanks,

    -gregg

    ....you automatically grant (or warrant that the owner of such rights has expressly granted) us an non-exclusive, irrevocable, royalty-free, transferable and worldwide right and license to use, copy, display, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from and distribute such materials or incorporate such materials into any form, medium or technology without necessarily compensating you. ≠ <o></o>We will ask for permission before we use your images for uses outside of where the content is originally posted...

    The clarification re linked images is a good addition, however the two clauses above are not consistent. While I don't want to be overly analytical in regards to this, because I think your response has been admirable with respect to the users here and this is not really a personal matter for me, I just want to point out that it's probably not a good idea to have your site's terms of use have an inherent contradiction. No good can come from that down the road.
  • 03-03-2008
    treebound
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gregg
    ...
    License Grant:
    By contributing or submitting product reviews, message board postings, product photographs, or any other Content, you automatically grant (or warrant that the owner of such rights has expressly granted) us an non-exclusive, irrevocable, royalty-free, transferable and worldwide right and license to use, copy, display, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from and distribute such materials or incorporate such materials into any form, medium or technology without necessarily compensating you. We will ask for permission before we use your images for uses outside of where the content is originally posted. None of the materials shall be subject to any obligation of confidence on the part of ConsumerREVIEW.com.
    ...

    "We will ask for permission before we use your images for uses outside of where the content is originally posted."

    This should apply to all postings, not just images. Many have posted ride and tour reports to the site here which could easily be marketable. Using those posts within the site is one thing, but external licensing and distribution of same is another matter entirely to my thinking. This is what is sticking in my craw.

    Your site, your rules, so I'll be adjusting my participation accordingly. No hard feelings.

    (off to research blog sites and web site hosting options)
  • 03-03-2008
    Touch0Gray
    maybe it's just me, but I pretty much assumed, from the onset (of the whole internet thing actually) That anything you put out there, without some kind of security or copy protection is essentially public domain......