• 08-13-2019
    SystemShock
    Tesla Clobbering its BMW/Audi/'Benz/Lexus Competition
    Dang, the Model 3 is mopping the floor with its foreign lux-car competition. 'Specially here in the Silicon Valley, where you almost can't drive a minute without seeing one.

    What's German for, "Our auto industry is crappin' its pants"? :eek:



    https://tinyurl.com/y4skt3cp


    https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/10...y-a-landslide/
  • 08-13-2019
    zyzbot
    Must be a regional aspect to it. I've never seen a Tesla on the road but I see a lot of Lexus, BMW, and Mercedes autos.
  • 08-13-2019
    MR_GRUMPY
    Calling a Model 3 a Luxury car is a joke.
  • 08-13-2019
    Bremerradkurier
    Seems like the killer app for Teslas would be alley cat autocross racing in abandoned office parks on weekends.
  • 08-13-2019
    SystemShock
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MR_GRUMPY View Post
    Calling a Model 3 a Luxury car is a joke.

    Judging from the sales chart in post #1, car buyers do not seem to agree with you.

    And thatís sort of the ultimate vote... i.e. what youíre actually willing to put down (a lot of) cash for.
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  • 08-13-2019
    Oxtox
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SystemShock View Post
    Dang, the Model 3 is mopping the floor with its foreign lux-car competition.

    What's German for, "Our auto industry is crappin' its pants"?

    not sure the Germans are ready to hoist the white flag just yet...

    https://youtu.be/TP9kokeyxGU
  • 08-13-2019
    Turtleherder
    So you have listed car sales. What are the numbers for luxury crossovers and suvís? I bet you will find people just are not buying cars anymore.
  • 08-13-2019
    SystemShock
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Turtleherder View Post
    So you have listed car sales. What are the numbers for luxury crossovers and suvís? I bet you will find people just are not buying cars anymore.

    Ppl are still buying cars... theyíre still about one-third of the market. The real issue is that theyíre not buying American cars hardly at all (aside from Teslas). Which is why Ford threw in the towel on cars not long ago, and plans to eventually make no cars at all, aside from the Mustang. :(

    Far as SUVs go, Tesla has the Model Y coming in 12-18 months. I think itíll do as well or almost as well as the Mod 3 is (though I think Teslaís car exterior styling is better than their SUV styling).
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  • 08-13-2019
    SystemShock
    Well dang guys, donít all cheer for an American car company, that also actually makes its cars in America, all at once. :lol: :skep:

    Not it that I have much against foreign makes... I drive one now, in fact. But I suspect that could change next time out.
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  • 08-13-2019
    Eretz
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Clean Tech China

    snip

    ....At this point, covering just about half of the industry doesnít seem sensible, so I will probably switch to quarterly reports. If thereís enough demand for these partial (foreign automaker) reports, however, maybe Iíll reconsider.
  • 08-14-2019
    nOOky
    I get Car and Driver spam all the time about the 10 ugliest new cars and it has the Model 3 with it's ugly wheels right on the front lol. It is butt ugly, but people must not seem to mind if it's selling.
  • 08-14-2019
    jlandry
    I don't know much about cars, but I see a lot of Tesla's in the GTA. (Toronto)
    There's about 5 of them in the parking lot where I work.
  • 08-14-2019
    hfc
    I have a Model S, one of the early ones, ordered in fall 2012 and delivered in March 2013. It has been a great car and still drives like a new car. Not long after I got the car, we did our annual beach trip to NC. It was quite an adventure, through a charging desert. We got to the beach with 6 miles of range left and I charged at a beachfront RV park.

    Beach week this year, we stopped at a couple of Tesla Superchargers along the way. We were able to leave the dog in the car while we ate lunch thanks to the ďdog appĒ, which leaves the a/c on and puts a message on the screen so passers by donít freak out. I saw other Teslaís at the beach pretty much every day; first time I think Iíve seen one down there besides mine.

    When things get slow, I turn on the fart app, which gives you the option of replacing turn signal noises with fart sounds or ďfart on demandĒ from your choice of speakers in the car. Thatís next level luxury right there.

    I think Tesla is still a couple of steps ahead on EVís. I checked out Audiís E Tron recently and itís priced about the same as a standard Model S and it has smaller battery and no charging infrastructure like Teslaís (Iíve always maintained this is the key to their longevity and one reason theyíve struggled to profitability).
  • 08-14-2019
    Jay Strongbow
    That's surprising. I see at least 100 to 1 BMW, Audi, Merc and so on to Tesla here in Boston.
    But then again what I see on the road doesn't say much about three months worth of sales.
  • 08-14-2019
    blackfrancois
    47,000 people can't be wrong.

    :smilewinkgrin:
  • 08-14-2019
    Marc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zyzbot View Post
    Must be a regional aspect to it. I've never seen a Tesla on the road but I see a lot of Lexus, BMW, and Mercedes autos.

    They've started appearing on the city-roads in Nebraska.

    Interestingly...all driven by lead-foots, which is probably detrimental to the high-efficiency of the vehicle.
  • 08-14-2019
    MR_GRUMPY
    How do you define luxury????Ö.Expense does not equal luxury.
  • 08-14-2019
    Oxtox
    in AUS, I can throw a rock and hit a Tesla.

    probably see 15-20 per day.
  • 08-14-2019
    azpeterb
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MR_GRUMPY View Post
    How do you define luxury????Ö.Expense does not equal luxury.

    According to hfc's post, you can put the car into "fart mode" so it makes farty sounds. That, my friend, is luxury.
  • 08-14-2019
    SystemShock
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by azpeterb View Post
    According to hfc's post, you can put the car into "fart mode" so it makes farty sounds. That, my friend, is luxury.

    And, just think of it... if youíre driving along and rip one in front of your passengers, you can credibly blame it on the car.
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  • 08-14-2019
    hfc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by azpeterb View Post
    According to hfc's post, you can put the car into "fart mode" so it makes farty sounds. That, my friend, is luxury.

    One day you will want to fart and canít and then, oh yes, you will realize the luxury of a good fart.
  • 08-14-2019
    Retro Grouch
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackfrancois View Post
    47,000 people can't be wrong.

    :smilewinkgrin:

    Sometimes they are.

    https://compote.slate.com/images/81b...ad06fe9643.jpg
  • 08-14-2019
    azpeterb
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post

    See what happens when the masses want to make a country great again?
  • 08-14-2019
    SystemShock
    Farts, and then Nazis.

    Yup, itís a Lownge thread. :smilewinkgrin:
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  • 08-15-2019
    Srode
    They are everywhere here.

    My prediction - when the big automakers roll out their Ecars in over the next couple years, the pressure will cause Tesla will either go belly up or be bought by large Tech company or automaker when they are on the brink of bankruptcy.

    Personally I don't see the draw - all considered the footprint on the environment isn't proven to be better than a Dino fueled vehicle, life limited on the battery cycles, and insufficient charging infrastructure which is not substantially less expensive to use than gas from what I have read.

    When governments figure out and implement a way to charge Ecars for road use taxes (like gasoline and diesel per gallon taxes) they are going to be less attractive.