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View Poll Results: Is Jan too fat for this time of the year?

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  • Yes, he is way behind his major rivals like Armstrong, Heras and Hamilton. Heck he isn't even the biggest threat on his own team.

    7 11.67%
  • Yes, Jan is slipping into his old habits now that he is back with his old team.

    11 18.33%
  • No, Jan is just big boned. He can still recover if he picks it up a notch.

    13 21.67%
  • No, Jan has a master plan and will be ready come July.

    30 50.00%
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    I too doubt the seriousness of Der Jan

    Hi Coolhand,
    For years now we have observed Lance consienciously and meticulously preparing himself and his team for the TdF. Preparation for next year starts almost at the finish of this years' race. Does Ulrich really think he stands a ghost of a chance going about things like this; gaining and having to lose so much weight is so little time? Merckx to my mind is absolutely right.
    It is known that Oscar Freire needs very few kms of training and only a couple of races to achieve optimal racing form while Erich Zabel usually has 14.000 kms on the clock even before the Omloop 'tVolk. I don't believe that Ulrich can risk again to think he's another sprinter Oscarito and win, I mean WIN the TdF. He would do well to try some of Armstrong's methods.
    Anyway, we'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolhand
    Uter: Don't make me run, I am full of chocolate!

    Jan does know it being held this July right?

    Your thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wielerpret
    Hi Coolhand,
    For years now we have observed Lance consienciously and meticulously preparing himself and his team for the TdF. Preparation for next year starts almost at the finish of this years' race. Does Ulrich really think he stands a ghost of a chance going about things like this; gaining and having to lose so much weight is so little time? Merckx to my mind is absolutely right.
    It is known that Oscar Freire needs very few kms of training and only a couple of races to achieve optimal racing form while Erich Zabel usually has 14.000 kms on the clock even before the Omloop 'tVolk. I don't believe that Ulrich can risk again to think he's another sprinter Oscarito and win, I mean WIN the TdF. He would do well to try some of Armstrong's methods.
    Anyway, we'll see.
    Luke van Iwaarden, Amsterdam, NL
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    Hi wielerpret,

    I agree. But Armstrong's methods are in many was those of Big Mig and even Lemond. Add in Carmichael's training ideas and Armstrong's pro-cancer fierce personal determination, and an understanding of what races are truly important and you having a winning formula.

    But I think there are more then a few riders following that approach- Tyler, Levi and others all seem to use many of the same techniques. Mentioning Zabel was also illuminating- if Ullrich had Zabel's professionalism and dedication he would have had a much better career. Zabel is a guy I respect because he got every single ounce of effort out of himself to maximize the impact of his talent.

    Ullrich is a gifted cyclist, but sometimes I wonder if he has the absolute burning need to win like the greats do.

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    Sorry BergMan, I still disagree.

    I don't want to delve too deeply into Eddy's motivation, about which I have no secret intelligence in any case. But I don't see that there's any hypocrisy in his criticism of Ullrich at all. Let's read his statement with just a bit of sense as regards context. Do you really think he's saying that Jan is too fat, qua, some guy or other just walking around and living his life? Too fat to be a bus driver? Too fat to be healthy through his 60s and 70s? Too fat to be a high fashion model doing his little turn on the catwalk? Too fat for, let's say, an aging bike manufacturer? I seriously doubt it. He's not talking about popular health issues, he's talking about bike racing. People suffer and make sacrifices to win. Eddy is saying that Ullrich is not making the proper sacrifices. Now it may be that he is wrong about that. Or it may be that he's right but that he's not putting it in a nice way. Heck, it may even be the case that he's right but only as an unfortunate reflection of the brutal and unhealthy choices foisted on riders by the pro racing scene--although I'm not saying so and that's a different argument altogether. But it's not hypocritical to criticize Ullrich's regimen because Merckx suffered plenty while he was competing. He did what it took. Period.

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    agreed

    For the same reason its not hypocritical for an overweight sportscaster or coach to comment about a pro ball players weight, its not hypocritical for Merkx to comment on Jan's weight. Its commentary, analysis, opinion, call it what you will. If this comment was hypocritical then were all a bunch of [email protected] hypocrites. :-)
    If two people are in complete agreement, one of them is not necessary...

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    It doesn't matter, my money is on Tyler Hamilton this year. Reason, because he should have won it last year and did quite well inspite of a broken collar bone; this year he's pissed at last year, he will make a statement, and poor Lance is going to have to bow down. Lance is very distracted this year I cannot see how he is going to win it, but...

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