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    Real or counterfeit?

    We just don’t realize the most significant moments of our lives when they’re happening
    Back then I thought “well there'll be other days”
    I didn’t realize that was the only day
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9yrupye7B0

    There's sometimes a buggy.
    How many drivers does a buggy have?
    One.
    So let's just say I'm drivin' this buggy...
    and if you fix your attitude you can ride along with me.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekiIMh4ZkM

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    I'm no expert either. But...

    1) Fork shape not correct (aero profile at the head tube junction on the real Dogma2)
    2) No front derailleur hanger
    3) No holes on down tube for internal cables
    4) Rear derailleur hanger wrong
    5) Seat tube collar wrong
    6) BB most likely wrong

    And on and on.

    Besides, why would someone be selling a brand new real Dogma 2 that lists for somewhere near $6,000 for a mere $2,000? That's the only question you really need to answer.

    Run away. Fast.

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    no interest personally.

    just bringing it up for the Pinarello people around here in case anyone wants to report it to ebay.
    We just don’t realize the most significant moments of our lives when they’re happening
    Back then I thought “well there'll be other days”
    I didn’t realize that was the only day
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9yrupye7B0

    There's sometimes a buggy.
    How many drivers does a buggy have?
    One.
    So let's just say I'm drivin' this buggy...
    and if you fix your attitude you can ride along with me.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekiIMh4ZkM

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    Angry Fake

    Real Dogma2 has internal derailleur cables and teardrop seatpost.
    Lots of other details wrong but those two stand out.

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    I agree it's fake... I checked the guys history and he sells bike parts....Interesting that he's willing to jeopardize his feedback selling an obviously fake frame...
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    It's a FAKE!!

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    It's been relisted as a replica. someone must have called it in as a fake

    2012 PINARELLO DOGMA 2 60.1 CARBON ROAD BIKE FRAME AND FORK HEADSET | eBay

    same $2000 price tho

    and after it sold

    Last edited by bikerjulio; 02-06-2012 at 01:47 PM. Reason: made mistake
    We just don’t realize the most significant moments of our lives when they’re happening
    Back then I thought “well there'll be other days”
    I didn’t realize that was the only day
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9yrupye7B0

    There's sometimes a buggy.
    How many drivers does a buggy have?
    One.
    So let's just say I'm drivin' this buggy...
    and if you fix your attitude you can ride along with me.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekiIMh4ZkM

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    It's a Fake....
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    Whoever did that frame didn't really come close...Obvious fake.

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    Someone paid $1800 for a fake Dogma frame!!! One born every minute!!

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    sad, i did what i could
    We just don’t realize the most significant moments of our lives when they’re happening
    Back then I thought “well there'll be other days”
    I didn’t realize that was the only day
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9yrupye7B0

    There's sometimes a buggy.
    How many drivers does a buggy have?
    One.
    So let's just say I'm drivin' this buggy...
    and if you fix your attitude you can ride along with me.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekiIMh4ZkM

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    PINARELLO DOGMA 60.1 SHIMANO 105 5700 AND EASTON EC90 SLX WHEELS. | eBay

    another fake one!!! sad because i'm trying to sell my frame and this guy makes it look like it's a real bike.

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    I see he describes it as "OEM TAIWAM " which is misleading at best.

    Why not report it as counterfeit?

    I did my bit on the earlier one.
    We just don’t realize the most significant moments of our lives when they’re happening
    Back then I thought “well there'll be other days”
    I didn’t realize that was the only day
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9yrupye7B0

    There's sometimes a buggy.
    How many drivers does a buggy have?
    One.
    So let's just say I'm drivin' this buggy...
    and if you fix your attitude you can ride along with me.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekiIMh4ZkM

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    I just reported the above bike and made note of why it's fake in the report.

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    Why would you buy a Pinarello on eBay?

    If it is too good to be true, then trust your gut feeling. It will never fail you.

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    i think its fake!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nice&slow View Post
    Why would you buy a Pinarello on eBay?

    If it is too good to be true, then trust your gut feeling. It will never fail you.
    haha, hey, easy there ;) I have been trying to sell my dogma frame for 2 months now, for a good price, but these fake ones get sold and no one can tell the difference. so frustrating. There are good bikes on ebay that are real and true (like mine).

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    Putting this link in from another thread - sorry for double posting, but it's very relevant to this thread.

    Princes, thieves and make-believe | Pinarello fights for its name «

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    Nooooooo

    The logo on the seat stay above the rear brake doesn't look right and doesn't match the one on the headtube. The overall graphics don't look right either.

    Do not touch it!

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    I am amazed that this discussion is still going. This is clearly a fake.

    The fork on the Dogma 2 is completely different. This is a fake Dogma 2 paint job on a fake Dogma 1.

    This not OEM Taiwan or anything else. The OEM stuff is garbage. This is likely made in Guangdong or Fujian, China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaxRomana View Post
    I am amazed that this discussion is still going. This is clearly a fake.

    The fork on the Dogma 2 is completely different. This is a fake Dogma 2 paint job on a fake Dogma 1.

    This not OEM Taiwan or anything else. The OEM stuff is garbage. This is likely made in Guangdong or Fujian, China.
    You do realise that 'OEM' stands for Original Equipment Manufacturing? That means you are saying that Pinarello frames (made by an OE manufacturer in Asia) are garbage.

    I'm sure that's not what you meant, just pointing out the error

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    Quote Originally Posted by neoprocyclist View Post
    Putting this link in from another thread - sorry for double posting, but it's very relevant to this thread.

    Princes, thieves and make-believe | Pinarello fights for its name «
    That is a fantastic article. Most importantly, it illustrates the idea that these frames are not "back door" inventory at all.

    Good for pinarello as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoprocyclist View Post
    You do realise that 'OEM' stands for Original Equipment Manufacturing? That means you are saying that Pinarello frames (made by an OE manufacturer in Asia) are garbage.

    I'm sure that's not what you meant, just pointing out the error
    Obviously the fakes don't come from the same factory as the real ones. They don't even use the same molds and there are other obvious structural differences.

    So OEM means nothing in the context of that ad.

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    It doesn't even come close as a replica. My cat can tell the difference at 15 feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neoprocyclist View Post
    You do realise that 'OEM' stands for Original Equipment Manufacturing? That means you are saying that Pinarello frames (made by an OE manufacturer in Asia) are garbage.

    I'm sure that's not what you meant, just pointing out the error
    Ah, no, what I meant is that the OEM claim in that ad is garbage. You are correct, I was totally unclear!

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