2020 Democratic Primary: Who's Your Guy or Gal?

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  • Joe Biden

    5 15.15%
  • Bernie Sanders

    2 6.06%
  • Elizabeth Warren

    4 12.12%
  • Pete Buttigieg

    8 24.24%
  • Michael Bloomberg

    2 6.06%
  • Amy Klobuchar

    2 6.06%
  • Andrew Yang

    2 6.06%
  • Tom Steyer

    1 3.03%
  • Deval Patrick

    0 0%
  • Other (Post who!)

    7 21.21%
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    2020 Democratic Primary: Who's Your Guy or Gal?

    New poll, to reflect the 2020 field (dropouts and late joiners).

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    MH: I want to go like my Dad did - peacefully, in his sleep, not screaming in terror like his passengers.

    SS: COMPLACENCY IS LETHAL. VOTE in November.

    Homer: I believe that the children are our future. Unless we stop them now.

    Plat: I'd rather fellate a syphilitic goat than own a Cervelo.

    Seam: Saw Bjork poop onstage back in the day. It blew my teenage mind.


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    So is the question:

    1) Who is your heart with, or

    2) Who do you think has the best chance to win, or

    3) Who do you think would face the least Trump-style backlash if he/she became president?

    All things we need to think about.
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    Need one more choice. They man or woman that runs against Trump.

    My one and only goal for any candidate is to beat Trump--my one and only condition for any candidate not getting the nomination is to pour everything they have into helping the nominee in goal #1.

    Don't care about their issues, there will time for that once Trump is out of office and the nation is off the precipice of utter disrepair.
    In the time of battle you don't rise to the occasion you resort to the level of your conditioning...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatsmybush View Post
    Need one more choice. They man or woman that runs against Trump.

    My one and only goal for any candidate is to beat Trump--my one and only condition for any candidate not getting the nomination is to pour everything they have into helping the nominee in goal #1.

    Don't care about their issues, there will time for that once Trump is out of office and the nation is off the precipice of utter disrepair.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to thatsmybush again.


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    There are different ways to interpret this poll. Who do I want to win and who do I think would beat Trump? Pete. But I think his best case scenario at this point is a VP pick for Biden. He had his "moment" about a month ago, but has started to fade- candidates rarely come back from a fade prior to the start of voting.

    I will vote for any of the current candidates without hesitation, but I fear that Biden will continue to come off as old and tired vs Trump, and the media will continually rummage through his baggage and give credence to numerous false equivalencies between his gaffes and Trump's lies. I fear too many will be turned off by the hard left rhetoric of Warren/Bernie. Nobody else has a reasonable chance of winning the primary.

    Who do I think will win the primary? Biden, with a possibility of either Warren or Bernie if one of the two drops out early enough and the left wing of the party consolidates with one of the two. Biden is more likely to win if Warren and Bernie both stay through super Tuesday with similar levels of support today. Also, there was a lot of talk about a contested convention between Hillary and Bernie, but I think the risk is more acute in a multipolar primary like this year's. A contested convention would be a disaster for the Democrats, so I really hope that fate could be avoided.
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    so, how did we end up with the options of a has-been VP with significant baggage, two 'radical' far-left types, a young mayor that lacks support of black voters, two billionaires...

    it's almost like the Dems don't want to win.

    but obviously, my vote will go to anyone/anything who doesn't paint their face orange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thatsmybush View Post

    My one and only goal for any candidate is to beat Trump--my one and only condition for any candidate not getting the nomination is to pour everything they have into helping the nominee in goal #1.
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    Strength and weaknesses of the big four. This is not all inclusive. Please feel free to add items with copy and paste:

    Biden:

    Strengths - Experience as Senator, VP, resonates with centrist, working class as well as minority voters (ironic despite his past).

    Weaknesses - He voted to go to war with Iraq, his gaffes, his age.

    Sanders:

    Strengths - He's authentic, his fund raising techniques, he resonates with progressives and young voters.

    Weaknesses - His "Democratic Socialist self-branding", Medicare for all could be unpopular for swing voters, his age and past medical issues.

    Warren:

    Strength - She has a compelling story to tell, her fund raising techniques, she resonates with progressives.

    Weaknesses - Medicare for all could be unpopular for swing voters, her age, she does't have a penis.

    Buttegeig:

    Strengths - His age, may resonate with centrist voters looking for someone fresher than Biden, he's a war veteran which may bring some veteran votes.

    Weaknesses - His age (yes, strength AND weakness), his relative inexperience, his sexual orientation, his inability to appeal to minority and young voters (ironic despite his own young age).
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    Mike Bloomberg --- I really don't care if he buys an election as long as it results in ending America's Trump/McConnell/Gun/Special-Interest-Buying-Elections nightmare.
    I am 100% convinced the internet and social media are not the salvation to human civility.

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    My vote, assuming he's still in the race when my state gets to vote ... will go to Mayor Pete. At this time, I think he has the most to offer in terms of: Youth, Ideas, Veteran, Can counter punch, Appeals to both the independent voters and the "Anybody but Trump" voters.

    His two big problems are: Sexual orientation and lack of appeal to Minorities. Both of which will be very hard to overcome.

    The Evangelical right will paint him as the Anti-Christ coming to take over our country, a gay man in America for President! Immoral, Illegal, Impractical ... anything and everything will be said about him to smear him.

    If minorities don't like him, they won't turn out to vote even knowing it will lead to a Trump victory.

    The most likely candidate is Biden, and he has the best chance of beating Trump. He has everything going for him as a candidate: Wisdom, knowledge, experience, appeals to the middle, appeals to minorities. He has a few downfalls, but most will ignore those when it comes to voting.

    Warren and Sanders are too far to the left and will turn away centrist Democrats and Independents. They could win the nomination, but it will be a loss for the Democratic party and the country in the end as Trump will get re-elected.

    In the end ... the odds are in Trumps favor to win again ... most likely by the Electoral college again, as he won't win the popular vote for the 2nd time and could lose it by a larger margin this time around. First POTUS to not win the popular vote TWICE.

    The Electoral college won't come up for consideration until a Democrat is in office, and even then, won't get the votes due to enough Republican Senators blocking it, knowing it's their only chance to get another POTUS elected in the future.
    Voting isn't marriage - it's public transport. You are not waiting for "The One" who is absolutely perfect. You are getting on the bus, and if there isn't one going exactly to your destination you don't stay at home and sulk - you take the one going closest to where you want to be!

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    Quote Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    Mike Bloomberg --- I really don't care if he buys an election as long as it results in ending America's Trump/McConnell/Gun/Special-Interest-Buying-Elections nightmare.
    I'm a bit puzzled by Bloomberg's candidacy. I would have thought him savvy enough to know that there is no way he would get traction. However, I certainly welcome him as a funding source for the Democrats, and I hope he directs his energies to supporting the nominee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nealric View Post
    I'm a bit puzzled by Bloomberg's candidacy. I would have thought him savvy enough to know that there is no way he would get traction. However, I certainly welcome him as a funding source for the Democrats, and I hope he directs his energies to supporting the nominee.
    I'm surprised as well with now money buys traction so quickly. For example,

    https://www.usnews.com/news/election...mp-in-michigan

    And I agree with you that all the Democratic nominee losers must unify behind the 2020 Democratic nominee for President. Battlefield scares and personality/campaign issues need to be set aside for the good of the nation.
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    Dark horse, jumping in at the 11th hour, somebody with a huge following, probably not a politician... Oprah comes to mind immediately.

    I don't like this scenario, but in the bizarro "Trump becomes president" world, I think we'll see more entertainers leveraging their vast audiences, popularity, name and face recognition, bully pulpits, and of course their billion dollar fortunes... to vie for the Big Chair at the Top of the Power Pyramid, the Ultimate Prize for those who have done it all and are looking for the ultimate challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPlKE View Post
    Other:

    Dark horse, jumping in at the 11th hour, somebody with a huge following, probably not a politician... Oprah comes to mind immediately.

    I don't like this scenario, but in the bizarro "Trump becomes president" world, I think we'll see more entertainers leveraging their vast audiences, popularity, name and face recognition, bully pulpits, and of course their billion dollar fortunes... to vie for the Big Chair at the Top of the Power Pyramid, the Ultimate Prize for those who have done it all and are looking for the ultimate challenge.
    But Michele says she won't run. Guess that cuts down the short list to Brad, Leonardo, George, or Charlize (we'll overlook the nationality issue). Oh wait, Joaquin Phoenix has to be in the mix 'cuase US politics is becoming a joke.
    I am 100% convinced the internet and social media are not the salvation to human civility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
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    My approach in the past has been to vote for the smartest candidate in the Democratic primary (and then vote for the winner). Looking like Buttigieg and Biden, with some uncertainty around debates.

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    Hey SystemShock --- next poll add one more candidate: NOTA [None Of The Above] ... which I would have won in 2016.
    I am 100% convinced the internet and social media are not the salvation to human civility.

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    Almost forgot... thereís a Dem primary debate tonight, isnít there?

    Sanders and Warren seem primed to go at one other.
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    MH: I want to go like my Dad did - peacefully, in his sleep, not screaming in terror like his passengers.

    SS: COMPLACENCY IS LETHAL. VOTE in November.

    Homer: I believe that the children are our future. Unless we stop them now.

    Plat: I'd rather fellate a syphilitic goat than own a Cervelo.

    Seam: Saw Bjork poop onstage back in the day. It blew my teenage mind.


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    Quote Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    Mike Bloomberg --- I really don't care if he buys an election as long as it results in ending America's Trump/McConnell/Gun/Special-Interest-Buying-Elections nightmare.
    Bloomberg needs to go away. He can't beat Trump and voters don't want to see another billionaire buy an election anyway. Minorities won't vote for him because if his support of Stop & Frisk and Broken Windows. Working class Rust Belt voters will remember his attempt at being the "food police" with his ban on large sodas and will be immediately turned off. I can just hear it now - "Oh no, if Bloomberg is elected, I'll never be allowed to eat another cheeseburger!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wookiebiker View Post
    The Electoral college won't come up for consideration until a Democrat is in office, and even then, won't get the votes due to enough Republican Senators blocking it, knowing it's their only chance to get another POTUS elected in the future.
    The problem with eliminating the Electoral College is that it would have to be done through a Constitutional amendment. No way there will be enough Democratic control at state levels to do this even if Trump's party hemorrhages more Republican seats. DOA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemShock View Post
    Almost forgot... thereís a Dem primary debate tonight, isnít there?

    Sanders and Warren seem primed to go at one other.
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    Donkey cannibalism tonight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    Donkey cannibalism tonight?
    If Obama is the Democratic Gipper he should get them all in a room and say, "though shalt not speak ill of a fellow democrat. (except Manchin, that guy is the worst.)"
    In the time of battle you don't rise to the occasion you resort to the level of your conditioning...

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    Quote Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    But Michele says she won't run. Guess that cuts down the short list to Brad, Leonardo, George, or Charlize (we'll overlook the nationality issue). Oh wait, Joaquin Phoenix has to be in the mix 'cuase US politics is becoming a joke.
    Your list of silly actors is not on a par with Oprah. And Michele is not a billionaire talk show host with a vast, loyal, long-time audience.

    My confidence in american voters' capacity for intelligently evaluating issues and candidates' positions is very low.

    Give them Oprah or somebody at Oprah's level, and the votes will come rolling in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatsmybush View Post
    If Obama is the Democratic Gipper he should get them all in a room and say, "though shalt not speak ill of a fellow democrat. (except Manchin, that guy is the worst.)"
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    EXACTLY!

    Why?

    When your's is a the BIG TENT party, you have lots of groups/egos/personalities/ideas/etc to deal with AND because turnout wins ELECTIONS, hurt feelings can have inconvenient consequences. For example:

    https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sand...lection-654320
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPlKE View Post
    Your list of silly actors is not on a par with Oprah. And Michele is not a billionaire talk show host with a vast, loyal, long-time audience.

    My confidence in american voters' capacity for intelligently evaluating issues and candidates' positions is very low.

    Give them Oprah or somebody at Oprah's level, and the votes will come rolling in.
    Yeah, I could definitely see Oprah running a successful campaign. We could do a lot worse than Oprah on the celebrity campaign front. Kanye 2024 anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nealric View Post
    Yeah, I could definitely see Oprah running a successful campaign. We could do a lot worse than Oprah on the celebrity campaign front. Kanye 2024 anyone?
    I was thinking Kim Kardasian ... no one has make more with so little.
    I am 100% convinced the internet and social media are not the salvation to human civility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    I was thinking Kim Kardasian ... no one has make more with so little.
    Compared to Trump's lifetime of achievements.. making so little with so much.
    Beating the S&P 500 is not hard - for me. Apparently it's darn near impossible for you. I beat the S&P consistently. Iíve since moved most of my stuff into targeted retirement funds and more conservative investments that arenít likely to beat the index. 90% of my funds are with a management company now. My plans for most of the money Iíve piled up are bigger than I am, and involve things I know little about and I lack the desire to learn how so I handed it off to a pro.

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